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[152] Daniel 12: The Water Baptisms of FDS1 and FDS3

'This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But perhaps it is the end of the beginning.' - Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)

It is not possible to overstate the importance of understanding this chapter of Daniel. The transgression causing desolation of Daniel 8 was the Watchower signing the UN NGO agreement on 1992January28. The placing of the disgusting thing causing desolation was the effect of this agreement. For the agreement joined the WTBTS of New York which was the temple of the Watchtower, to the UN, which is the throne of Satan. That put Satan's throne in the temple of the Watchtower. That is the abomination that causes desolation to that temple. The LWs first saw this clearly on 2008Iyyar20 (just before midnight on May 26th). So the trangression causing desolation leads to the placing of the disgusting thing immediately. But we did not see that for more than 6 years after the UN NGO debacle was exposed by the Guardian Newspaper. So from that day it was possible to see the disgusting thing causing desolation standing in the holy place as spoken through Daniel the prophet, let the reader use discernment (Matthew 24:15).

The constant feature is removed by the same arms that place the disgusting thing according to Daniel11:31. So the Watchtower must have permitted people who do not claim to be 1NC saints to officiate at the altar, i.e. to direct the worship and sacrifice of the brothers for God in some way on or before 2004Elul14 = 2004September1, the start of the field service year. This was actually Jesus (through the 1NC reserves) throwing himself off the top of the temple.

40 And in the time of [the] end the king of the south will engage with him in a pushing, and against him the king of the north will storm with chariots and with horsemen and with many ships; and he will certainly enter into the lands and flood over and pass through... (Daniel 11).

1 And during that time [t(] [End-time: the time of the end, the time period between the appointed time of the end, which is 2008Nisan14, the end of the world judicially, the end of the 6,000 day working week, and the end of Zoar, the end of sons of the 1AC residing on earth, 2008Iyyar1. In other words the time between the end of the world's heavenly authority and the end of the world's earhtly authority over God's people. The time of the end of FDS1 and of FDS3 runs from 69Nisan and 1995Tishri when they lost authority over the saints judicially to the day when they become a false church, 2004Elul14 in the case of the Watchtower] he will stand up Michael, the prince, the great, [end of Jewish system, end of world, end of FDS1 and end of FDS3] the [one] standing in behalf of the sons of your people [starting from 2008Sivan17 - 2008Tammuz26, the flood of 1NC saints resurrected as humans. This standing only occurs after his enemies have been placed as a footstool for his feet]. And there will certainly occur a time [t(] of distress such as has not been made to occur since there came to be a nation until that time [t(] [the time of distress which contains the Great Tribulation of Matthew 24, which also has not been made to occur since there came to be a nation until that time. It is one time long, from 2008Sivan26 until 2009Sivan26, when the last son of Adam dies]. And during that time [t(] your people will escape, every one who is found written down in the book [End times: of Melchizedek, the FRC, we all escape before the end of Zoar, which is the end of the time of the end. In the fulfilment on FDS1, it is the book of the saints.]
2 And there will be many of those asleep in the ground of dust who will wake up [all those who have been in a true christian church, hearing the voice of the groom, and so are invited to evening meal of God, a ringside seat to view Armageddon, or have declined that invitation by falling away from a water baptism. The rapture is coincident with the resurrection of the christian sons of the ICC. So those raptured in no way precede those who have died in this respect also. First the saints, the sons of Jacob are resurrected, not long after they die, then the sons of Isaac at the rapture, then the sons of Abraham according to the last is first timetable. This is so that the priests of the kingdom attend the lesson of Armageddon], these to indefinitely lasting life and those to reproaches [and] to indefinitely lasting abhorrence [The sin bin of Gehenna. They get to see Armageddon from the cheap seats! They need the lesson more than the righteous].
3 And the ones having insight [researchers] will shine like the brightness of the expanse [the sun]; and those who are bringing the many to righteousness [evangelisers, helping people to finish their baptism tests], like the stars to time indefinite, even forever.
4 And as for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of [the] end. [When] Many [descended saints] will rove about, and the [true] knowledge will become abundant [from 2008Nisan14 to 2009Iyyar1. This system lasts physically for 14 months after it falls judicially].
5 And I saw, I Daniel, and, look!... there were two others standing, one on the bank here of the stream [sons of this system] and the other on the bank there of the stream [sons of the next system].
6 Then one said to the man clothed of the linens, who was up above the waters of the stream: How long will it be to the end of the astonishing/wonderful things? [How long is the time of the end? How long past the end of the system judicially does this system physically remain? The strange thing is that the world has ended and yet it is still here, like the burning bush that did not burn up]
7 And I began to hear the man clothed of the linens, who was up above the waters of the stream [men raptured to be angels sealed in spirit directing the salvation of 50% of mankind into the kingdom], as he proceeded to raise his right [hand] and his left [hand] to the heavens [rapturing the water baptised via the 1BRC and the faith baptised via the 2BRC, this is the symbolism of lot, the two angels using two hands to rescue 4 people. No one escaped Sodom without an angelic hand] and to swear by the One who is alive for time indefinite [as all those are who are raptured]: It will be for an appointed time appointed times and a half [one year, two days and half a month from 2008Nisan14 to 2009Iyyar1, the end of the Zoar administration. This being the length of the time of the end, a strange period when the world has ended judicially but it hasn't ended physically. The half has no 'time' so also stands for a half something else, perhaps the 50% who get raptured]. And as soon as there will have been a finishing of the dashing of the power of the holy people to pieces, all these things will come to their finish [the priestly power of the LWs is destroyed when their water baptism ends on 2008Tishri30. The raptures occur after this].
8 Now as for me, I heard, but I could not understand; so that I said: O my lord, what will be the final part/end/outcome/result of these things? [end is used metaphoricaly here as outcome/result we think.]
9 And he went on to say: Go, Daniel, because the words are made secret and sealed up until the time of [the] end [which began on 2008Nisan14. But since we now understand these verses, verses 1-9, which contain 'these words' at last we must be in that time! The words of verses 10-13 we not sealed up until the time of the end but were part of the entire book of Daniel which is generally sealed up until the time of the end]
10 Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined [during the time of the end]. And the wicked ones will certainly act wickedly, and no wicked ones at all will understand [and be raptured]; but the ones having insight will understand [and be raptured].
11 And from the time that the constant [feature] has been removed [there will be 1290 days, from 2004Elul14 = 2004September1, the start of the field service year, the day the Watchtower became a false church and so God lost his constant feature, and 4600 solar days of Daniel 8 after transgression causing desolation when the Watchtower joined the UN on 1992January28, to 2008Nisan14, the end of the world] and [from the time that] there has been a placing of the disgusting thing that is causing desolation [The Watchtower passover is defiled by everyone in attendance who touch the cup but worse by false governing body 1NC saints, the abomination, who drink it. This abomination must occur before the Watchtower becomes a false church since is causes that desolation, for the Watchtower was a 1NC church] [The LWs celebrated it correctly although only with one 1NC saint at Niagara falls on 2005Iyyar15], there will be 1,290 days [2 fulfilments?]
12 Blessed/Happy is the one who is keeping in expectation and who reaches the 1,335 days! [2004Elul14 to 2008Iyyar29, June 4/5, when the blessing of the LWs began.]
13 And you, go to the end; and you [Daniel who was Melchizedek] will rest, but you will stand up for your lot to the end of the days [Melchizedek stood up possibly as a human at the end of the 1335 days. He normally precedes Jesus. Faith always comes first. He stands up for his lot, the kingship of the kingdom at that time as does Gordon] (Daniel 12).

25 He will intend to change times and law and they will be given into his hand for a time, times and half a time (Daniel 7)

God is not stupid. He wants to say more than 3½ with the phrase a time, times and half a time.

Many faithful men, including all the LWs have struggled with these words. The Time of the end of Daniel 8, is the time of the end of the Watchtower as a true religion in the present fulfilment. The appointed time of the end in Daniel 8 is the time of the end of Daniel 11 and Daniel 12, which is the time between the end and the end. During this time Michael stands up by the resurrection of his wife as humans. This begins the greater flood of Noah on the 17th day of the month of Pentecost (2008Sivan17). The apostles will come down on 2008Sivan17, residing first in the wilderness perhaps for 13 days, and give the interpretational gifts of the spirit to people so that we can finally unseal the whole book of Daniel and the rest of the scriptures we hope!

Now Daniel was Melchizedek, and Melchizedek died in Simeon - we read...

25 And, look! there was a man in Jerusalem named Simeon, and this man was righteous and reverent, waiting for Israel's consolation, and holy spirit was upon him.
26 Furthermore, it had been divinely revealed to him by the holy spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Christ of Jehovah.
27 Under the power of the spirit he now came into the temple; and as the parents brought the young child Jesus in to do for it according to the customary practice of the law,
28 he himself received it into his arms and blessed God and said:
29 Now, Sovereign Lord, you are letting your slave go free in peace according to your declaration [the end of Melchizedek's ministry in this system];
30 because my eyes have seen your means of saving
31 that you have made ready in the sight of all the peoples,
32 a light for removing the veil from the nations and a glory of your people Israel.
33 And its father and mother continued wondering at the things being spoken about it.
34 Also, Simeon blessed them, but said to Mary its mother: Look! This one is laid for the fall and the rising again of many in Israel and for a sign to be talked against
35 yes, a long sword will be run through the soul of you yourself, in order that the reasonings of many hearts may be uncovered (Luke 2).

So Melchizedek rests and he must stand up for his lot in the kingdom of God since he is the earthly king of that kingdom. It would be an absurdity for all the heavenly kings to turn up on and after 2008Sivan6, leaving the earthly king upstairs. The 1NC kings belong upstairs, Melchizedek belongs down here. So we get to see him on 2008Iyyar29 (5-5) and are therefore blessed with a righteous king. 

 To understand Daniel 12:1 we must read from Daniel 11:40 first...

40 And in the time of [the] end the king of the south will engage with him in a pushing, and against him the king of the north will storm with chariots and with horsemen and with many ships; and he will certainly enter into the lands and flood over and pass through.
41
He will also actually enter into the land of the Decoration, and there will be many [lands] that will be made to stumble. But these are the ones that will escape out of his hand, Edom and Moab and the main part of the sons of Ammon.
42
And he will keep thrusting out his hand against the lands; and as regards the land of Egypt, she will not prove to be an escapee.
43
And he will actually rule over the hidden treasures of the gold and the silver and over all the desirable things of Egypt. And the Libyans and the Ethiopians will be at his steps.
44
But there will be reports that will disturb him, out of the sunrising and out of the north, and he will certainly go forth in a great rage in order to annihilate and to devote many to destruction.
45
And he will plant his palatial tents between [the] grand sea and the holy mountain of Decoration; and he will have to come all the way to his end, and there will be no helper for him (Daniel 11).

So Michael stands up in the time of the end. Well he stood up to come and reject the Watchtower and appoint the LWs in the time of the end of the Watchtower which ran from 1995Tishri15 to 2004Elul14. But the King of the North who in the literal meaning of Daniel 11 is the king controlling the Euphrates, which is the US led coalition occupying Iraq, has not yet stormed against the King of the South, which is the king controlling the Nile, which is general terms is the Muslim controlled states of the Middle East. 

Then we have the 'time of distress', when everyone who is found written down in the book will escape. Their escape mechanism is the rapture, the greater Noah's ark, the angelic ark of Jesus. 

Time of the End of Daniel 12                                        End of Zoar
End of the world                                                            Last son of 1AC raptured
2008April20                                                                   2009April26
2008Nisan14                                                                 2009Iyyar1
X__________________________________________X
      
The Time of the End (1year ½month and 2days)

The 1st birth pang                                   End of greater flood
Dual terror attack UK/US                        Last ageing human dies
2008June28                                            2009June20/21
2008Sivan26                                           2009Sivan26
X_______________________________X
 Time of Distress (1year, the Great Tribulation)

We think that the 'time of distress' may be one prophetic time long because it is...

1 ...a tribulation such as has not been made to occur since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape (Daniel 12) [The word 'time' is repeated enough times for us to wonder whether it does not mean: a time, chronologically i.e. a year or a month. The time of the end of the Jewish system was nearly 4 years from Cestius in 66Tishri to Titus on 70Ab10 when he destroyed the temple in Jerusalem]

So this means that the rapture which starts on Chislev26, begins at the mid point of the Great Tribulation, the mid point of the time of distress. Perhaps this is why David said...

7 If I should walk in the midst of distress, you will preserve me alive.
Because of the anger of my enemies you will thrust out your hand, And your right hand will save me. (Psalm 138).

Certainly Lot escapes in the midst of the Great Tribulation...

2008Sivan26                        2008Chislev26                                      2009Sivan26
Great Tribulation starts         Rapture begins in Midst of overthrow     Great Tribulation Ends
The first birth pang               The non saints start ascending               Last human dies
X______________________________________________________X
             180 days                 X                   180 days

29 And it came about that when God brought the cities of the District to ruin God kept Abraham in mind in that he sent Lot out from the midst of the overthrow when overthrowing the cities among which Lot had been dwelling [The rapture starts on Chislev26 in the midst of the GT from 2008Sivan26 to 2009Sivan26] (Genesis 19).

Jesus' comes down through his wife from 2008Sivan17 to 200Tammuz26. These first 40 days of his descent are a quarantine period. Now Lot (FDS4) escapes by rapture after 150 days (5 months since everyone is lead out by the hand - a witness to 5 times), in the midst of the overthrow. The overthrow is the GT, which lasts for 360 BLC days from 2008Sivan26 to 2009Sivan26 when the last son of adam dies. The rapture begins on 2008Chislev26, the mid point of the GT of Matthew24, the time of distress of Daniel12.

Some Decoding History

Please indulge Gordon and Tony whilst we tell you the story of our first partial unsealing of Daniel 12:

4 And as for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of [the] end. Many will rove about, and the [true] knowledge will become abundant (Daniel 12).

9 Go Daniel, because the words are made secret and sealed up until the time of the end (Daniel 12)

The time of the knowledge of the date of the End (which we once though incorrectly was the time of the end), in this presence, started on 1991Shebat21, which was February 1, 1992, the day that Gordon worked out the date of the end from the Exedenic Times and Genesis 4 - see [157].  The bible was unsealed in the first presence through Paul and FDS2 and in the second presence, today, it was and is being unsealed through Gordon and FDS4. Although all of it is through Jesus and from the true God, the owner of all interpretations (if we have it right that is). It’s like Daniel said:

28 However, there exists a God in the heavens who is a Revealer of secrets, and he has made known to King Nebuchadnezzar what is to occur in the final part of the days (Daniel 2).

It’s like Paul said:

7 But we speak God's wisdom in a sacred secret, the hidden wisdom, which God foreordained before the systems of things for our glory (1 Corinthians 2).

It’s like the meaning of the name that Pharaoh gave to Joseph: Zaphenath-Paneah, meaning ‘Revealer of Hidden things’ (Genesis 41:45).

And Jesus himself became overjoyed in the holy spirit and said:

21 I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have carefully hidden these things from wise and intellectual ones, and have revealed them to babes. Yes, O Father, because to do thus came to be the way approved by you (Luke 10).

On Sunday 8th March 1992, Gordon had been complaining to Tony that he had a 6 month discrepancy in the length of the Alienation Times. This arose because he did not realise at that time that the 120 years of Genesis 6 ended after the flood at the time when men’s maximum age was changed from 960 years to 480 years, just before the birth of Arpachshad. He thought that it ended at the flood. Gordon was actually thinking that the change in the calendar at the time of Moses might have something to do with this problem. In any event, on Sunday night Tony had a dream! On Monday he said to the Gordon: 'I have had a dream!'.  Gordon responded with some cynicism, to the effect that this sort of thing was supposed to have stopped 2,000 years ago. Tony said: 'I know how to solve your 6 month problem, look at the account of the shadow going back on the 6 steps of Ahaz' or such-like.

So on Tuesday 10th March, after the book group of the Jehovah's Witnesses, we both had a look at this account in Isaiah 38. The first thing that we noticed was that there were not 6 steps but were in fact 10 steps. The next thing that Gordon did was to pray and ask Jehovah to let the meaning of the account be seen to both of us that night because Tony had up to that date never been around when Gordon had worked anything out. Gordon thought that this would be a great thing for the true God to do, in order that Tony's faith would be strengthened. Well, yes, Jehovah is a very great God, and a kind and a loving God, and he answered Gordon's prayer. Because Gordon became aware that the whole account about the shadow was symmetric, and whenever this shadow was moving up the ten steps it was also moving down the ten steps so he said to Tony: This account is saying that Jesus died in the middle of something. Furthermore we both realised that Hezekiah's three days of sickness were Jesus' 3 days in the 'heart of the earth'. And Isaiah confirmed this view, when Hezekiah said after he had recovered:

10 In the midst of my days I will go into the gates of Sheol (Isaiah 38).

Since there were ten steps, the writer was thinking of something complete, so he thought of the Abrahamic covenant. We were amazed that we hadn't seen it before! Jesus died in the middle of the covenant, the 1AC. Furthermore this did solve the problem about the six months and the calendar change at the time of Moses, because since there was no corresponding missing 6 months after Jesus' death and since both halves of Abraham's covenant were now known to be symmetric, then there could be no missing 6 months at the time of Moses.

Later on that week, either on Friday evening or on Saturday 14th, we think it was Saturday. Tony said to Gordon, 'why don't you have a look at Daniel?' The writer said, 'No, no, the Watchtower Society have worked Daniel out, they have already unsealed it' or the like. But Tony prevailed over the writer and we had a look at Daniel chapter 12. Tony then asked, what the 1335 days of Daniel 12:12 related to since the Watchtower had worked it all out. Gordon said that they related to a convention in the Albert Hall. Tony then categorically refused to accept that the last words of Daniel had anything to do with the Albert Hall. He said something like: Do you really believe that the dying words of God's great prophet Daniel refer to a happiness resulting from a talk in the Albert Hall?

12 Happy is the one who is keeping in expectation and who arrives at the 1,335 days! (Daniel 12).

The writer has by now learned that when one of his associates refuses to accept something, then rather than brow beating him with the doctrine of the Watchtower Society, or indeed the current doctrine of the Lords' Witnesses in the manner of a lobotomised prison warden, it is better to listen and to re-think. Because more often than not it is not only his associate but it is also the true God himself through his holy spirit who is not accepting the teaching!

Here is the chapter with our latest understanding, not our first understanding!

1 And during that time he will stand up Michael, the prince, the great, the [one] standing in behalf of the sons of your people. And there will certainly occur a time of distress such as has not been made to occur since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, every one who is found written down in the book.
2 And there will be many of those asleep in the ground of dust who will wake up, these to indefinitely lasting life and those to reproaches [and] to indefinitely lasting abhorrence [The sin bin of Gehenna. This being the resurrection of the good and bad saints].
3 And the ones having insight will shine like the brightness of the expanse; and those who are bringing the many to righteousness, like the stars to time indefinite, even forever.
4 And as for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of [the] end. [When] Many will rove about, and the [true] knowledge will become abundant.
5 And I saw, I, Daniel, and, look!... there were two others standing, one on the bank here of the stream [1NC saints in the JWs] and the other on the bank there of the stream [1NC saints in the LWs].
6 Then one said to the man clothed of the linens, who was up above the waters of the stream: How long will it be to the end of the astonishing/wonderful things? [how long until the end of the gap in the presence whereby Jesus is not in contact with either bank or with a water baptism but is in fact only in heaven through the 1NC saints?]
7 And I began to hear the man clothed of the linens, who was up above the waters of the stream, as he proceeded to raise his right [hand] and his left [hand] to the heavens and to swear by the One who is alive for time indefinite: It will be for an appointed time appointed times and a half [3½ years. The half has no word 'time' after it and so stands for something else perhaps half the 7 year water baptism exclusive of the LWs]. And as soon as there will have been a finishing of the dashing of the power of the holy people to pieces, all these things will come to their finish [as soon as the power of the priesthood of the Watchtower, i.e. their water baptism is removed, then this 3½ year period occurs. So it runs from 2001Tishri30 - 2005Nisan30. But there are also 2 months one day and half a day between 2007Adar27 when the 2nd part of the 2nd presence ended and the 3rd part of the 2nd presence begins on 2008Iyyar28 inclusively. This also fits with a 1884Tishri15 start for the second presence which ends with the descent of the saints on 2008Sivan6, being a total of 120 years to the BLC day excluding the two gaps.]
8 Now as for me, I heard, but I could not understand; so that I said: O my lord, what will be the final part of these things?
9 And he went on to say: Go, Daniel, because the words are made secret and sealed up until the time of [the] end.
10 Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. And the wicked ones will certainly act wickedly, and no wicked ones at all will understand; but the ones having insight will understand.
11 And from the time that the constant [feature] has been removed [there will be 1290 days, from 2004Elul14 = 2004September1, the start of the field service year, and 4600 solar days after transgression causing desolation when the Watchtower joined the UN on 1992January28, to 2008Nisan14, the end of the world] and [from the time that] there has been a placing of the disgusting thing that is causing desolation [when the Watchtower became a false church and gift offering ceased], there will be [another period of] 1,290 days.
12 Blessed/Happy is the one who is keeping in expectation and who arrives at the 1,335 days! [2008Iyyar29] (Daniel 12:1-12).

So in 1992, Gordon just stared at Daniel 12 and thought (the normal decoding technique!). After some time, around 30 minutes or an hour, a most fantastic thing occurred, and the writer can remember it as clear as day even now. All of a sudden he (thought that he) got the symbolism of Daniel 12 and he realised that the river Hiddekel was the river of life and that 1914Tishri, when Jesus became King over Abraham's children was 3.5 years before Nisan 1918 when the first anointed brothers (new covenant saints) were resurrected is mirrored by the 3.5 years after Tishri 2004, after the last brothers are resurrected which takes us to 2008Nisan when Jesus becomes King over everybody. The angel Gabriel floating above the river was representing the anointed brothers, floating off to heaven between the two banks of the river - fantastic. The holy spirit says to Daniel himself:

13 And as for you yourself, go toward the end; and you will rest, but you will stand up for your lot at the end of the days (Daniel 12).
And the answer that Gabriel gave was to the question:

8 What will be the final part of these things ? (Daniel 12).

And what Gordon did, was he went to the end, the end of the world, which he already knew was 2008Nisan. And the 3½ year bank and 1290 days and the 1335 days basically count backwards from the end of the World (more or less). And Gordon, who is the antitypical Daniel, for this very reason, obeyed this instruction from the spirit, and since he actually understood it he unsealed Daniel (well he started unsealing it anyway). The reason that Daniel could not be unsealed before the time of the end, is that it works backwards from the date of the end. So you need to know this date first before you can unseal it. But the 'time of the end' is the time of the knowledge of the true date of the end. It is the time of the knowledge of the date of Armageddon - see [157]. The knowledge of this date is the Key to unlocking Daniel 12 and a lot of the rest of the bible.

It was really wonderful and the writer could not thank Tony enough for his stubbornness, and neither could he thank the true God enough for his open-handedness.

We are not absolutely certain whether this occurred on the night of Friday 13th or Saturday 14th or Sunday 15th. But we are pretty sure that it was the Saturday night because the writer does remember asking Tony to check the date and finding that it was Saturday March 14th, because he thought it was a bit like Nisan14th. He also realised that he would be very tired at the Sunday morning meeting, which was at 9:30 a.m. on Sunday 15th but what the hell, he had unsealed Daniel!

Well that is what we thought at the time. In fact we had begun to unseal it, but a bit more work was going to be required to finish the job. And here, 16 years later, we have finally got both symbolisms of the vision in Daniel 12 at the least. The treble successive designation for Michael in the first verse relates only to the narrative. There is no successive designation in the vision so it has only two meanings, the event symbolic and the word symbolic meanings. There are two interpretations that we presently have for this chapter. Pictorially the visions are as below...

Event symbolic fulfilments...

                                                              IJesus absent I
                                                Sealed 1NC saints have no water baptism
                                                                               X
Jesus present through                                                                               Jesus present through 
1NC saints in the Truth
X                                                                         X 1NC saints of the Life
_____________________________                                                     ___________________________
            JW administration (FDS3)     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^       LW administration (FDS4)
                                                           3½ years without water baptism

 

                                                              IJesus absent I
                                                Sealed 1NC saints have no water baptism
                                                                              X
Jesus present through                                                                             Jesus present through
1NC saints of the Way
X                                                                      X 1NC saints of the Light
___________________________                                                       ___________________________
            FDS1 administration          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^           FDS2 administration
                                                         3½ years without water baptism

Two true religions in each presence. Each church has a water baptism and a spirit baptism. Only the right hand administration asks Gabriel about the end time chronology. 

Jesus takes 3½ years to cross the river starting from the loss of water baptizing capability of the left hand administration and ending with the baptism of the first 1NC saint into the right hand administration. During his absence, Jesus is not in touch with either bank or with the water. This is because all 1NC saints on earth are without a water baptism. People leave the first true religion in a presence and enter the second through water baptism, crossing the river and dragging their angels behind them. The Watchtower bank collapses (the burning mountain is thrown into the sea) before the spirit baptism of the LWs ends.

Word symbolic fulfilment...

                                                            I1BRC and 2BRC forI
                                                                    sealed ones (in linens) 
                                                                                         X

Sons of 1AC (who ask)  X
                                                                                     X Sons of 1AC in Kingdom
____________________________                                                                    __________________________________
The world ending on 2008Nisan14  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  Kingdom of God over all on 2008Sivan15
                                                         1y 2m ½d of Sons of Adam still on earth

There is a year, 2 months and half a day from the 2008Nisan14 to 2009Sivan15 when the last son of ageing Adam dies (a time, times and half a time). This is the strange period after the world has ended when sons of Adam continue to exist on earth. The Watchtower loses its power over the congregation before 2008Nisan14. The men on the banks are not called men but just called ones. So they can be saints in one interpretation and non saints in another.

Since Daniel refers to himself as 'I, Daniel', we know that there are two vision threads in total, the event symbolic one and the word symbolic one in this case (this is an as yet undocumented part of the code). Now Gabriel is the mediator of the CRC not the ARC, so the waters he presides over from heaven are those water baptised into the 1EC, 2EC, 3EC and 4EC the watr baptism covenants of the 4 true christian churchs.

The 1290 and the 1335 days

But Daniel then asks: What will be the final part of these things? Or: What happens after this? And we read that from the time that the constant feature has been removed and there has been a placing of the disgusting thing that is causing desolation, there will be 1290 days. Here is the hard part, the part we got last. What is the constant feature today?

Well the constant feature under Law was the offering up of a lamb every evening and every morning of every solar day. It was constant physical sacrifice. But physical sacrifice was true worship under the law of works. Today we are under the law of faith. So today it is constant true worship in true faith actually by any member of a true church at all since the sacrifice was offered up in the courtyard rather then in the holy place. So the constant feature today is the heartbeat of the living church just as the heartbeat is a constant feature of every living human. So whilst the church is a true church and so long as it has a sufficient number of members, it has a constant feature. So the abomination causing desolation which prevents true worship ends the constant feature, and when the constant feature ends all further desolation is impossible. So the constant feature being removed and the abomination being placed are the same thing in the second word symbolism. They both occur 1290 days before the end, i.e. 2004Elul14. For Daniel is told to Go to the end, so that is what he did. The LWs are too small to constitute a constant feature during the period of the far bank, we are a kind of intermittent feature!

This removal of the constant feature is the finishing of the dashing of [priestly] power of the holy people to pieces. But the day of its removal is not the end of the far bank. The far bank ends with a 1NC saint joining the LWs and restarting the second presence. This happens when such a saint catches sight of the Abomination causing desolation which is already in place and then flees to the mountains. For Jesus cannot be present in defiled flesh. Now we know from Daniel 4 U136 and from Genesis 41 U304, that the Watchtower lose their water baptism and lose their authority over all of God's water baptised people for precisely 7 times. But these 7 times end at the end of the 7 years outside the camp of the greater Miriam of the remnant of Jesus' wife - U252. The transgression causing desolation to the Watchtower was their joining the UN as an NGO. This transgression must cause a different desolation to the abomination causing desolation, for if not then only one of them has truly caused a desolation. We know that the abomination causes the loss of 1AC capability, the loss of true religion status to the Watchtower on 2004Elul14. So the transgression causing desolation must cause the loss of 2AC capability, which is the other desolation which a true religion faces on its path to rejection. Now the Watchtower sidled out of the UN NGO union on October 9th 2001, 2001Tishri17/18, without any repentance. They then responded to the Guardian newspaper exposee with the Library Card cover story on October 22nd 2001. This clearly demonstrated unrepentance before God and men. Plainly they became unworthy to carry out baptisms in water of repentance at that time. 

But just as the Watchtower give 7 days to appeal any judicial decision. So God gives them 7 days to appeal to him in prayer or by repenting. For Jesus said in the sermon on the mount...

2 for with what judgment you are judging, you will be judged; and with the measure that you are measuring out, they will measure out to you (Matthew 7).

So they finally lost their water baptism capability on 2001Heshvan7 (at the start of that day).

So the 7 year headship malediction of Daniel 4 actually runs from 2001Heshvan7 to 2008Heshvan7 the start of the angelic protection of Zoar (when the 1NC kings start fighting our battles for us). During this period the LWs have headship over all sons of Isaac. 2001Tishri30 was a dark day for the Watchtower who faithlessly chose to look good in front of their flock by covering up their error, rather than to look good in front of God by owning up to it and repenting. They loved the glory of men more even than the glory of God.

This means that the hour of reaping of sealed 1NC saints (when they die) of Revelation 14:15 is actually 120 months long running from 1991Tishri to 2001Tishri - U151.

So the stump of Daniel 4, exists for 2520 days from 2001Tishri30 to 2008Tishri30?. The Lws start being blessed on 2008Iyyar28/29 at the end of the 1335 days. And the 1NC saints start descending on 2008Sivan17. This day of revelation is described as follows...

7 But, to you who suffer tribulation, relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels 
8
in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance upon those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus.
9 These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength, 
10 at the time he comes to be glorified in connection with his holy ones and to be regarded in that day with wonder in connection with all those who exercised faith, because the witness we gave met with faith among you (2 Thessalonians 1).

6 But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth he says: And let all God's angels do obeisance to him.
7 Also, with reference to the angels he says: And he makes his angels spirits, and his public servants a flame of fire (Hebrews 1). (So Jesus comes as a human at Armageddon).

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
30 And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in
lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity (Matthew 24).

31 When the Son of man arrives in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne.
32 And all the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
33 And he will put the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left.
34 Then the king will say to those on his right: Come, you who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world (Matthew 25).

38 For whoever becomes ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of man will also be ashamed of him when he arrives in the glory of his Father with the holy angels (Mark 8).

26 For whoever becomes ashamed of me and of my words, the Son of man will be ashamed of this one when he arrives in his glory and that of the Father and of the holy angels (Luke 9).

This 'Son of man' does not look like Jesus.

The 'final part of the things' is in fact the great tribulation, it is the closing act of this system. The JWs do not flee until after  they have actually seen the disgusting thing, the abomination causing desolation.

15 Therefore when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment)
16 then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains.
19 Woe to the pregnant women and those suckling a baby in those days!
21 for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world's beginning until now, no, nor will occur
again (Matthew 24).

Constant feature ends, Watchtower becomes false church
Abomination causing desolation placed in temple of GNS2 (FDS3)    End of World 
2004Elul14                                                                                             2008Nisan14 
X______________________________________________________X
                                           
1290 days

Constant feature ends, Watchtower becomes false church                Happy is the man, keeping in expectation
Abomination causing desolation placed in temple of GNS2 (FDS3)    LWs start being blessed, Melchizedek descends?
2004Elul14                                                                                             2008Iyyar29 
X______________________________________________________X
                                           
1335 days

Our History of the Decoding of Daniel 12

So what precisely is this great happiness that the last words of Daniel refer to? According to Jehovah’s witnesses it refers to the great joy of the conventioneers who came out of the Albert Hall in 1926 and were very very happy! (Daniel book, YWp337-8) And why shouldn't they be? its a very nice hall, and no doubt it was a wonderful convention. But really, brothers, is this the great reward that the giver of every good gift and perfect present is giving to his faithful servants, a nice convention in the Albert Hall? Why even Frank Sinatra can match that!

'I remember when Tony & myself worked this one out, with a large amount of prodding and help from the spirit we had realised that the word 'times' in the bible stood for 360 years in more than one scripture, and we were feeling pretty pleased with ourselves and we thought that we had more or less discovered the entire sacred secret. I must stress that neither of us knew that we were anointed (sanctified in holy spirit, born again) at that time, because you do not have to be anointed to understand the bible dammit. In some ways I wish that I wasn't anointed so that this point could be more forcibly made now. For it is my job not to decode the bible myself, but it is my job to start all of God's people decoding the bible for themselves, indeed this is what I am anointed to do. Because I know for a fact that this work is too big for any one man, in fact it is too big for all of us, but with God's spirit we will decode it, every word of it, every jot and tilda of every letter of every word of it.

So there we were, the two holy wonder-decoders, and my friend said to me: Why don't you have a look at the book of Daniel, perhaps we could decode that? I responded: Oh no, the Watchtower Society have already unsealed that, they unsealed it in the time of the end which began in 1914. He then said to me: So what is this 1335 days then, when everybody becomes so happy? I said well it is an assembly in the Albert Hall. My poor friend couldn't stop laughing! An assembly in the Albert Hall? You must be joking! Why would Daniel prophesy about an assembly in the Albert Hall? I said no, no you don't understand, they've worked it all out in terms of the Hebrew calendar its all OK, well more or less. Then my friend, absolutely floored me with the following genre of question:

Are you trying to tell me, that the culmination of God's whole divine plan to save all of mankind from sin and death, to confer immortality on his firstborn son, and to vindicate his holy name, was a convention in the Albert Hall in 1926? Was that really the climax of his achievements for man??

Well, what could I say? I had to laugh as well, it was ridiculous. On that day, and ever after, the holy spirit made me realise that when a bible study does not accept some doctrine, it is very often not only the bible study who does not accept it, but also the spirit of truth is not accepting it. So that rather than bashing that doctrine into the head of the bible student in the manner of a lobotomised prison warden, one does better to reconsider the doctrine in the manner of a humble bible student.

That is what we did, and it was the most beautiful thing, because I looked at Daniel 12 and I saw a sparkling river of light, with Gabriel in bright linen floating off to heaven above it and I knew that this river was the resurrection of the anointed, the new covenant saints, it was the river of heavenly life.

Of course I did not unseal it, it was actually unsealed by the holy spirit through Gabriel to me. Because Gabriel told the first Daniel to seal it up, so presumably he also told the last Daniel to unseal it. And it is my belief that Gabriel was floating not only above the Hiddekel, the Tigris, in the time of the first Daniel, but he was also floating above the Thames in that day of the last Daniel, the one who is untying the knots and explaining riddles of his predecessor, for we were in the docklands, by the side of the Thames.'

Yea, even as Moses foretold:

Happy you are, Oh Israel
Who is like you?
A people enjoying the Albert Hall?
(Deuteronomy 33:29). NO

Happy you are, Oh Israel
Who is like you?
A people enjoying the salvation in Jehovah
(Deuteronomy 33:29).

And as David prophesied:

Happy is the one acting with consideration toward the lowly one, In the day of calamity, Jehovah will provide escape for him. Jehovah will guard him and preserve him alive. He will be pronounced happy in the Albert Hall? (Psalm 41:1,2). NO

Happy is the one acting with consideration toward the lowly one, In the day of calamity, Jehovah will provide escape for him. Jehovah will guard him and preserve him alive. He will be pronounced happy in the earth (Psalm 41:1,2).

And as Jesus taught us all:

Happy are the meek for they will inherit the Albert Hall? NO

Happy are the meek for they will inherit the earth (Matthew 5:5).

And this they will do at the end of the 1.1 million days on 2008Heshvan7, for this is the end of the great tribulation for them.

A Time, Times and Half a Time

7 It will be for an appointed time, appointed times and a half (Daniel 12).

Hebrew has three numbers for a word, singular, plural and dual. The dual number means that there are two of the word. The Hebrew for appointed times above is: Myd(wm this is in the dual number according to the Watchtower and Aben Ezra, but is the plural according to Ben Davidson (Analytical Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon), being in the 7th declension of the masculine nouns. We go with Ben Davidson. But we read in Revelation 12:

14 But the two wings of the great eagle were given the woman, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place; there is where she is fed for a time and times and half a time away from the face of the serpent (Revelation 12).

Where times is obviously in the plural since Greek has no dual. But earlier in the same chapter we read:

6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there 1260 days (Revelation 12).

In the actual vision, (and in the event symbolic meaning of the vision but not necessarily in all of its symbolic meanings) the two periods are the same period and so we a being told by holy spirit that the phrase ‘a time, times and half a time’ is 3.5 times or 1260 days of the BLC (Biblical Lunar Calendar). 

But 'appointed time' is so flexible in Hebrew that we can take a time, times and half a time to be a year two months and half a day or any other combination if we like! So in Daniel 12 we take the phrase:

7 an appointed time, appointed times and a half (Daniel 12)

To be 14 months and half a day!

The NWT is good here translating Mlw( literally hidden time, as an ‘indefinite time’ and d( literally until as ‘for ever’!! For Gehenna is a place of indefinitely lasting reproaches and abhorrence, not everlasting or infinitely lasting reproach.

The Second Presence of Jesus Christ

As regards the last resurrection of the remnant, one can very easily deduce that all of the holy ones are in heaven before the kingdom of God starts. For if truly the Kingdom of God were to start with any of the holy ones still on the earth and therefore unmarried, then since Jesus is not having two marriage feasts, he would have to be unmarried as well. In which case there would be no covenant in force for the 144,000 to wield any power as kings or priests, in which case the Kingdom would have actually started without them! That is without any of them!

It is also very difficult to explain how in the days of the earthquake of Uzziah (which days are standing for Armageddon, when Jehovah's earthly people flee to the valley of his mountains) it will be that Jehovah will 'certainly come, all the holy ones being with him' (Zechariah 14:5), if in fact some of the holy ones are still here on the earth, and are therefore not with him. Well if there are any left remaining on the earth when the Kingdom starts then the Kingdom of God will truly have overtaken them.

Also the armies that were in heaven were following him on white horses, and they were clothed in white, clean, fine linen........And upon his outer garment, even upon his thigh, he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords (Revelation 19:14-16).

Let us not beat around the bush, these armies that are 'in heaven' are the 144,000 brothers of Christ. For Jesus is here called the King of kings (Revelation 19:16), he is not called the King of the number of kings who have so far been resurrected. The scripture does not mention any armies that were on the earth following him. Logic dictates that these ones do not become kings until after the marriage of the Lamb, which is their investiture.

So following after the pattern of the death of Moses, whose life prefigures the presence of Christ being equal in length to the day at 120 years, and taking account of the gap in the presence caused by the far bank of Daniel 12, we can now declare it to be as follows:

Russell baptised      Paul Gillies letter         Presence ends         First 1NC saint                    All non reserve 1NC saints
in water and spirit    Water baptism ends   7 appeal days end    water baptised into FDS4   Have now been resurrected 
1884Tishri10            2001Tishri30              2001Heshvan7 (start of)  2005Nisan30                        2008Adar27=Nisan3
X_______________X________________X                                      X_____________________X
Present 117 years + 27 days                                    Present 3 years less 27 days       

The total presence is therefore 120 years to the day. And it lasts from the sanctification of Russell to near enough the end of this system, but with a gap of 1253 days between the end of the Watchtower baptism and the batpism of the first 1NC reserve saints into the LWs. This is the second Lord's day of Revelation 1 (which applies in Word1 - U151). The entirety of Jesus' wife enters into heaven (presumably after a 40 days quarantine period) on 2008Nisan10, when the passover lamb is taken into the house.

37 For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be (Matthew 24).
3 My spirit shall not act towards man indefinitely in that he has erred (or is also flesh). Accordingly his days shall amount to 120 years (Genesis 6).

We used to think that all the remnant were in heaven before the Great Tribulation because we misinterpreted the constant feature as being the dying off of the remnant. And we used to think that Revelation 15 referred to the heavenly temple that they will eventually make.

8 And the sanctuary of God became filled with smoke because of the glory of God and because of his power and no one was able to enter into the sanctuary until the 7 plagues of the 7 angels were finished (Revelation 15).

For Jehovah does not come down in a cloud to accept a temple until the temple is fully built. Therefore if he comes down in a cloud on the heavenly temple before he pours out his 7 bowls of anger, it is apparent that this sanctuary is complete before the great tribulation of the plagues starts. But this is the temple of FDS4, containing the last of the faithful remnant down here. For more on Revelation see U151.

To show that Jehovah only comes down in a cloud into a finished temple consider the following two examples. In the case of the tabernacle we have:

34 So Moses finished the work. And the cloud began to cover the tent of meeting, and Jehovah's glory filled the tabernacle. 
35 And Moses was not able to go into the tent of meeting, because the cloud resided over it and Jehovah's glory filled the tabernacle (Exodus 40).

In the case of Solomon's temple we have at the inauguration ceremony, once the ark was placed in the temple:

10 And it came about that when the priests came out from the holy place, the cloud itself filled the house of Jehovah.
11 And the priests were unable to stand to do their ministering because of the cloud, for the glory of Jehovah filled the house of Jehovah.
12 At that time Solomon said: Jehovah himself said he was to reside in the thick gloom.
13 I have successfully built a house of lofty abode for you (1 Kings 8).

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INCORRECT PREVIOUS REASONING

First Presence Event Symbolic Fulfillment

                                                                                                                                  
The Law ceases to provide  John starts baptising     End of the water baptism   Peter water baptised into FDS2
entrance into the 2AC           into the 1EC and 2AC   of FDS1/WSS1/GNS1       The first 1NC saint from FDS1
25Tishri                                 29Nisan                        75Nisan                               79Nisan
X______________________X                                   X____________________X
           (3½ times)                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^             (4 times)
                                               Water Baptism of FDS1(46 years)

GNS1 was finished physically when Peter left. He spent 10 years from 69Nisan to 79Nisan under WSS1 and GNS1. 

18 Most truly I say to you, When you were younger, you used to gird yourself and walk about where you wanted. But when you grow old you will stretch out your hands [10 times] and another [man] [The evil slave] will gird you and bear you where you do not wish (John 21).

WSS1 started in 69Nisan with the appointment over all Jesus' belongings (but not Gabriel's belongings) of FDS2. GNS1 started with the end of the water baptism of WSS1 in 75Nisan (4 years of the far bank of the river before the end of the 10 years of being mislead). The 1290 days and the 1335 days refer to the end of the Jewish system however, rather than the end of FDS1 and the constant feature is that of the Law which ended on 33Nisan14. We know this because again Jesus tells us in Matthew 24:

15 Therefore when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment)
16 then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains (Matthew 24).

This flight occurred after 66Heshvan5, the day when after Cestius invaded the temple and then retreated 'without a reason in the world' (Josephus). The reason was indeed not of this world, it was the fear of God that came upon him. He must have suspended the constant feature during his little visit to the temple. One does not suppose that much sacrifice to God was in fact carried out during Cestius' assault and conquest of the temple.

66Heshvan5                                      70Sivan4                             70Tammuz19
X____________________________X_____________________X
                1290 days                                      45 days      

1290+45=1335 days. Fine except this should be BLC rather than Hebrew Calendar. Hmm.

66Heshvan5 Cestius enters temple, the disgusting thing in the holy place, and then retreats without a reason in the world.
70Sivan4 Titus finishes the 'fortification with pointed stakes' (Luke 19:43) Jerusalem is surrounded, the only escape is now to the Romans (prefigures 2008Nisan14, after which the only escape is to God)
70Tammuz19 Titus parades those who have fled to the Romans and been saved alive in Gophna around the wall. Then he starts the final assault on the temple. 

 

Gabriel floating above the waters of the stream

The waters are governed actually by Gabriel the father of all the water baptised.

Gabriel raises his left hand to the heavens  Authority of FDS2 and the Aaronic Priesthood.
Gabriel raises his right hand to the heavens Authority of FDS1.
Waters of the stream

Sons of the 1EC, the baptism of John

Man standing on far bank Disfellowshipped sons of the 1EC
Man standing on near bank Sons of Moses who are not sons of Abraham
Far Bank  1440 days, the time from the end of the water baptism of FDS1, which was the end of WSS1 and the beginning of GNS1, to the first 1NC saint from FDS1 to enter FDS2 by water baptism (Peter).
Near Bank 1260 days, from the end of the law as a means of entering the 2AC to the baptism of John.
How long will it be until the end of the astonishing things? How long is my bank?
What will be the final part of the things? What happens after the time period of the far bank?

So now we can understand why John the baptist (who was Gabriel) said to the Pharisees and Sadducees:

9 And do not presume to say to yourselves, 'As a father we have Abraham.' For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones (Matthew 3).

These people were not sons of the 2AC since the law was no longer effective in preserving a water baptism. These stones were those whom John had already baptised in water for Paul tells us that:

4 Paul said: John baptized with the baptism [in symbol] of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus (Acts 19).

So imputing obedience to those whom he baptised makes them into stones, living stones, sanctified Christians.