'Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly' - Robert F. Kennedy
3 [John's
disciples buried John and then came and reported that John had been beheaded to
Jesus] At
hearing this Jesus withdrew from there [his home
territory, Capernaum] in a boat into a lonely place for
isolation [to the opposite side of the harp shaped 3 sided
lake of Chinnereth - meaning Harp, towards Tiberias as in Mark - see verses 22, 32]; but the crowds,
getting to hear of it, followed him on foot from the cities.
14 Now when he came forth he saw a great
crowd; and he felt pity for them, and he cured their sick ones.
15 But when evening fell his disciples
came to him and said: The place is lonely and the hour is already far advanced;
send the crowds away, that they may go into the villages and buy themselves
things to eat.
16 However, Jesus said to them: They do
not have to leave: You give them something to eat.
17 They said to him: We have nothing here
but 5 loaves and 2 fishes.
18 He said: Bring them here to me.
19 Next he commanded the crowds to recline
on the grass and took the 5 loaves and 2 fishes, and, looking up to heaven, he
said a blessing and, after breaking the loaves, he distributed them to the
disciples, the disciples in turn to the crowds.
20 So all ate and were satisfied, and they
took up the surplus of fragments, 12 baskets full.
21 Yet those eating were about 5,000 men [andreV],
besides women and young children.
22 Then, without delay, he compelled his
disciples to board the boat and go ahead of him to the other side [Tiberias
as in Mark], while he sent
the crowds away (Matthew 14).
32 And they got across and came to land in Gennesaret (Matthew 14).
32
[Apostles reported what they had done after having been
given authority over unclean spirits]
So off they went in the boat
[from Capernaum - see Mark 6:1] for a lonely place to
themselves [South towards Tiberias on the same side of the
lake - see verse 45].
33 But people saw them going and many got
to know it, and from all the cities they ran there together on foot and got
ahead of them.
34 Well, on getting out, he saw a great
crowd, but he was moved with pity for them, because they were as sheep without a
shepherd. And he started to teach them many things.
35 By now the hour had grown late, and his
disciples came up to him and began to say: The place is isolated, and the hour
is already late [i.e. evening time].
36 Send them away, that they may go off
into the countryside and villages round about and buy themselves something to
eat.
37 In reply he said to them: You give them
something to eat. At this they said to him: Shall we go off and buy loaves of
200 denarii and give [them] to the people to eat
38 He
said to them: How many loaves have you? Go see! After ascertaining it, they
said: 5, besides 2 fishes.
39 And he instructed all the people to
recline by companies on the green grass.
40 And they laid themselves down in groups
of 100 and of 50.
41 Taking now the 5 loaves and the 2
fishes he looked up to heaven and said a blessing, and broke the loaves up and
began giving them to the disciples, that these might place them before the
people; and he divided up the 2 fishes for all.
42 So they all ate and were satisfied;
43 and they took up fragments, 12 baskets
full, aside from the fishes.
44 Furthermore, those who ate the
loaves were 5,000 men [andreV].
45 And, without delay, he compelled his
disciples to board the boat and go on ahead to the opposite shore toward
Bethsaida, while he himself dismissed the crowd (Mark 6).
53 And when they got across to land, they came into Gennesaret and anchored ship nearby (Mark 6).
10
[John's disciples are said to buy John but not said to
report to Jesus. However the Apostles reported what they had done after having
been given authority over demons and sickness] With that he took them along and withdrew to privacy into a city called
Bethsaida.
11 But the crowds, getting to know it,
followed him. And he received them kindly and began to speak to them about the
kingdom of God, and he healed those needing a cure.
12 Then the day started to decline [so
evening had not yet fallen]. The 12
now came up and said to him: Dismiss the crowd, that they may go into the
villages and countryside round about and procure lodging and find provisions,
because out here we are in a lonely place [Jesus
slept in Bethsaida but went out into the country for solitude in the day].
13 But he said to them: You give them
something to eat. They said: We have nothing more than 5 loaves and 2 fishes,
unless perhaps we ourselves go and buy foodstuffs for all these people.
14 They were, in fact, about 5,000 men [andreV].
But he said to his disciples: Have them recline as at meals, in groups of about 50
each.
15 And they did so and had them all
recline.
16 Then taking the 5 loaves and the 2
fishes, he looked up to heaven, blessed them and broke them up and began to give
them to the disciples to set before the crowd.
17 So they all ate and were satisfied, and
the surplus that they had was taken up, 12 baskets of fragments (Luke 9).
In Luke 9 and John 6 the crowds are not said to be dismissed.
In Luke 9 the baskets of fragments left are not said to be full.
1
[Jesus witness in Jerusalem, meal before the evening]
After these things Jesus set off across the sea of the Galilee, [across from]
the Tiberias [John 6:23, but the boats out of Tiberias
came near the place where they ate the blessed bread, then they went to
Capernaum. So this place was probably Bethsaida as in Luke].
2 But a great crowd kept following him,
because they were beholding the signs he was performing upon those who were ill.
3 So Jesus went up into a mountain, and
there he was sitting with his disciples.
4 Now the passover, the festival of the
Jews, was near.
5 When, therefore, Jesus raised his eyes
and observed that a great crowd was coming to him, he said to Philip: Where
shall we buy loaves for these to eat?
6 However, he was saying this to test him,
for he himself knew what he was about to do.
7 Philip answered him: loaves of 200 denarii
are not enough for them, so that each one may get a little [200
days of Zoar feeding from 2012Iyyar17 to 2012Chislev7. Zoar means
small/insignificant.].
8 One
out of his disciples, Andrew, the brother of Simon Peter,
said to him:
9 Here is a little boy that has 5 barley
loaves [Barley is first fruits -
2011Tebbeth16, for new first fruits. The 3rd fire sign must occurs by then. 5 months from
2011Tebbeth16 to 2012Iyyar16 inclusively? The 1NCs are appointed to feed the saints in Zoar
on 2012Nisan17]
and 2 small fishes/eatables []. But what are these among so many?
[They are the feeding of the saints by
FDS4]
10 Jesus said: Have the men [anqrwpoV]
recline as at
meal. Now there was a lot of grass in the place [not
English lawn grass but Israeli long grass - reeds - rulers]. Therefore the men [andreV]
reclined,
about 5,000 in number [5000 1NC
reserves who recline for the whole meal until 2012Nisan14].
11 So Jesus took the loaves and, after
giving thanks, he distributed them to those reclining, likewise also as much of
the small fishes as they wanted.
12 But when they had their fill he said to
his disciples: Gather together the fragments that remain over, so that nothing
is wasted.
13 Therefore they gathered them together,
and they filled 12 baskets [2012Nisan14
to 2013Nisan14] with fragments from the 5 loaves,
the barley [ones] which were
left over by those who had eaten (John 6).
[16
When evening fell, his disciples went down to the sea,
17
and, boarding a boat, they set out across the sea for Capernaum [the
opposite side to Bethsaida - the Jordan is the divide]
22 The next day the crowd that was standing on the other side of
the sea [from Capernaum, i.e. at Bethsaida]
saw that there was no boat there except a little one, and that Jesus had not entered into the boat with his disciples but that
only his disciples had left;
23 but boats from Tiberias arrived near the place where they ate
the bread after the Lord had given thanks.
24 Therefore when the crowd [who
had eaten] saw that neither Jesus was there nor his disciples, they boarded
the little boats [that had come from Tiberias]
and came to Capernaum to look for Jesus (John 6).
Matthew and Mark: Opposite side of the sea to Bethsaida, hour late/evening fell, groups of 100 and 50, crowd arrived before the 200 denarii comment in Mark.
Luke and John: Bethsaida (opposite side to Tiberias), day starting to decline (just after midday), all in groups of 50. Crowd arrived after the 200 denarii comment in John.
So Mark is parallel to Mathew and John is parallel to Luke.
Matthew is the unsanctified brothers in TCC1 and TCC3 and Mark is the saints in those churches?
13
At hearing this Jesus withdrew from there [Capernaum]
in boat into a lonely
place
on his own. But the crowds,
having heard, followed him on-foot from the cities.
14
So when he got out he saw a great
crowd. And he felt-tender-affection for them, and he
cured their sick [ones].
15
But [at the time] of
late
[oyiaV]
having become his
disciples
came to him saying: The
place
is lonely
and the
hour
has already passed by; send
off the
crowds,
in order that having gone off
into the
villages
they might buy themselves
foods.
16
However,
Jesus
said to them: They do not have to leave: You give them [something]
to eat.
17
They said to him: We do not have [anything] here but 5
loaves
and 2
fishes.
18
He said: Bring them here to me.
19
And having commanded the
crowds
to recline on the
grass,
he took the 5
loaves
and the 2
fishes, and, looking up
into
heaven, he
blessed [them] and, having broken [them] he gave the
loaves
to the
disciples,
and the
disciples
[gave them] to the
crowds.
20
So all ate and were satisfied, and they took up the [food] remaining over, 12
baskets
full of
fragments.
21
Yet the [ones] eating were males
about [wsei]
5,000, apart from women and
little-children
[paidiwn]
22
And immediately, he compelled the
disciples
to step aboard the
boat
and go ahead
of him to the other-side [peran], while he sent
off the
crowds
(Matthew 14).
30
And the
apostles
gathered together before
Jesus
and reported to him all [things]
as many as they had done and as many as they had taught.
31
And he said to them: Come, you yourselves, privately into a desolate/lonely
place
and
rest up a little. For the [ones] coming and the [ones] going were many, and they
did not have-an-opportunity to eat.
32
So they went off in the
boat
[from Capernaum]
into a lonely
place
for themselves.
33
But many saw them going and got to know it, and they
ran there together on-foot from all the
cities
and got ahead of them.
34
Well, on getting out, he saw a great
crowd, but he
felt-tender-affection for them,
because they were as [wV]
sheep
without a
shepherd. And he started to teach them many
[things].
35
And [at the time] of the
hour
already having come to be much, his
disciples
came up to him and said: The
place
is lonely, and the
hour
is already much.
36
Send them away, in order that they may go off into the
fields
and
villages
in a
circle [kuklw]
and buy themselves what they might eat.
37
Answering he said to them: You give to them to eat. At this they said to
him: Having gone off shall we buy
loaves
[implied ek] [out] of 200
denarii
and give to them to eat?
38
He said to them: How many
loaves
have you? Go see! After ascertaining it, they
said: 5, and 2
fishes
[icquaV].
39
And he instructed them all to recline
company
[by]
company
on the green
grass.
40
And they laid themselves down
square
[by]
square
[representing the 4 true religions]
according to 100
[1904Tishri,
the Judah/Gentile continuation call, to 2004Heshvan17, when the Watchtower became a
false church and so Jesus no loner instructed them about anything]
and according to 50
[From Peter's
sanctification in 29Tishri, he being the first loaf, to 79 when what was by then
the Roman Catholic church became a false church].
41
And having taken the 5
loaves
[the 5 presidents of FDS1 before it became the Roman Catholic Church]
and the 2
fishes
[were the two fishes St Linus and St Anacletus, the first
two popes, with fish hats?],
having looked up into heaven,
he blessed and broke the loaves
and began giving them to the
disciples,
in order that they might place them before them; and he divided up the 2 fishes for
all.
42
So they all ate and were satisfied;
43
and they took up
fragments,
ones-filling 12
of baskets [partitive
genitive] [12
full years from 2000Heshvan4/5, when the 5th loaf Henschel resigned, until
2012Heshvan] and/aside from the fishes
[they
took up fragments from these as well].
44
And the [ones] having eaten the
loaves
were 5,000
males
[andreV]
[5,000 true
1NC saints who lived until the 5th watch, which began on 1992Chislev30 and ended
on 2000Heshvan4/5 with the resignation of Milton Henschel. In the first presence
it is the 5,000 of Acts 4:4].
45
And, immediately, he compelled his
disciples
to board the
boat
and go on ahead
to the other-side [peran]
toward
Bethsaida, while
[ewV]
he himself dismissed the
crowd
(Mark 6)
Loaves (5+3), Fishes (4+2), Baskets (1+1), Boat (2+2), Males (1+1).
Loaves are food
from the 5 presidents of the land of FDS1/3
The sea is the bible, the truth, the land is the administrations of
the churches, the priesthoods which control access to the bible. So fish comes
directly from the bible, not via disciples/priests. Bread is priestly
prepared food. Look out for the leaven of the loaves. There is no leaven in
fish. Fish are God made, bread is man made. But
they also come into a boat, the boat which goes to the other side, so they are
from the next true church.
LWs encourage and empower every member of the church to go fishing. We give them fishing tackle, not croissants. The comparison is between deep food from the bible prepared by God and easy to digest food from the priesthood prepared by man.
12 baskets full of Mark for FDS1 run from when the 5th president of FDS1 (Jude) dies or resigns, which was when Pope Linus took over in 67, to 79, when they became a false church under the second fish head, pope Anacletus. So the 12 baskets of fragments from the loaves are distributed by the first two popes. Get out of her my people!
So the Watchtower has has precisely 12 full baskets of fragments or 12 full years to the month after Henschel resigned. The Watchtower is finished in 2012Heshvan, but it continues to be a bundle of weeds until the very end, preventing its idolaters from entering into the ark which closes on 2012Heshvan4, precisely 12 years after Milton Henschel resigned.
5,000 males are 5,000 1NC saints who are from all 5 loaves.
Compelling disciples to board a boat and go to the other side of the lake whilst
dismissing the crowds, is telling the loyal ones to get into a new outfit, a new
church whilst leaving the hangers on behind in a dismissed church.
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29
Crossing country from there, Jesus next came near the sea of Galilee, and, after
going up into the mountain, he was sitting there.
30 Then great crowds approached him,
having along with them people that were lame, maimed, blind, dumb, and many
otherwise, and they fairly threw them at his feet, and he cured them;
31 so that the crowd felt amazement as
they saw the dumb speaking and the lame walking and the blind seeing, and they
glorified the God of Israel.
32 But Jesus called his disciples to him
and said: I feel pity for the crowd, because it is already 3 days [euphemism
for new system or new church] that they have
stayed with me and they have nothing to eat; and I do not want to send them away
fasting. They may possibly give out in the way.
33 However, the disciples said to him:
Where are we in this lonely place/wilderness going to get sufficient loaves to satisfy a
crowd of this size?
34 At this Jesus said to them: How many
loaves have you? They said: 7, and a few little-fishes [icqudia].
35 So, after instructing the crowd to
recline upon the ground [eat from the
congregation - this is when FDS2 starts feeding human to
human],
36 he took the 7 loaves [] and the
fishes [icquaV]
[as opposed to little-fishes - literal
fish!!!]
and, after offering thanks, he broke them
and began distributing to the disciples, the disciples in turn to the crowds [that
is the feeding methodology of FDS2 and of FDS4 after the second fire sign].
37 And all ate and were satisfied, and as
a surplus of fragments they took up 7 provision-baskets [spuridaV]
full [7 full months or years].
38 Yet those eating were 4,000 men [andreV],
besides women and young children [4000 actual
males since this word counts 1x - so this must apply to FDS2 unless FDS4 has
4,000 men when the first loaf starts] (Matthew 15).
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39 And having sent the crowds away,
he got into the boat and came into the regions of Magadan (Matthew 15).
MATTHEW
CHAPTER 16
1
Here the Pharisees and Sadducees approached him and, to tempt him, they asked
him to display to them a sign from heaven.
2
In reply he said to them: [[When evening falls you are accustomed to say, 'It
will be fair weather, for the sky is fire-red';
3
and at morning, 'It will be wintry, rainy weather today, for the sky is
fire-red, but gloomy-looking.' you know how to interpret the appearance of the
sky, but the signs of the times you cannot interpret.]]
4
A
wicked and adulterous generation
keeps on seeking for a sign, but no sign will
be given it except the sign of Jonah. With that he went away, leaving them
behind.
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5
Now the disciples crossed to the other side and forgot to take loaves along.
6 Jesus said to them: Keep your eyes open
and watch out for the leaven of the Pharisees and
Sadducees.
7 So they began to reason among
themselves, saying: We did not take any loaves along.
8 Knowing this, Jesus said: Why are you
doing this reasoning among yourselves, because you have no loaves, you with
little faith?
9 Do you not yet see the point, or do you
not remember the 5 loaves of the 5,000 and how many
baskets [kofinouV]
you took
up?
10 Or the 7 loaves of the
4,000 and how many provision-baskets [spuridaV]
you took up?
11 How is it you do not discern that I did
not talk to you about loaves? But watch out for the leaven of the Pharisees
[Laodiceans do believe in the 2NC fed the
4,000] and
Sadducees [JWs do not believe in the 2NC,
fed the 5,000].
12
Then they grasped that he said to watch out, not for the leaven of the loaves,
but for the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees (Matthew 16).
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1 In those days, when there was again a
big crowd and they had nothing to eat, he summoned the disciples and said to
them:
2 I
feel pity for the crowd, because it is already 3 days [euphemism
for new system or new church] [Laodicea wasn't really a new church. 3 greater
days since day counts 2x. The 3 days of church changing. The day after FDS3 lost
its authority over the saints, becoming ES2 and before it lost its water
baptism, its authority over the prospective priests of the Kingdom. The day
after it lost its water baptism and before it became a false church. The day it
became a false church, losing its authority over the sons if the 1AC, the
prospective citizens of the kingdom, until it is destroyed] that they have remained
near me and they have nothing to eat,
3 and
if I should send them off to their homes fasting, they will give out in the way. Indeed, some of them are from far away.
4 But his disciples answered him: From
where will anybody here in an isolated place be able to satisfy these people
of/with loaves [Artwn
genitive possessively]?
5 Still he went on to ask them: How many
loaves have you [in total]? They said: 7 [4x+7x].
6 And he instructed the crowd to recline [anapiptw
to fall with face upwards, perhaps to ones knees to be baptised? Not anakeimai
to recline to eat] on the ground [1x.
Get yourself in a position next
to the congregation, the ground], and he took the 7 loaves [The
food of the 7 seals of Revelation 6. So the 7th seal is broken before
2012Nisan14, when the LWs lose authority over the saints], gave
thanks [for them or to God for what he was about to do to them?] [on
2011Shebat14 at the new Passover
when the 1NC reserves are baptised and therefore became Jesus?], broke
[them], and
was giving [the pieces of the 7 loaves] to his disciples to serve [14x], and they served
[the pieces of the 7 loaves] [14x] to the crowd [on
2000Tishri16, when Jamie fell
to the ground yet with his face upwards for a baptism. He was the first to join
an LW congregation (of Gordon and Tony). This is rather like a very old woman taking 4,000
days to sit down for dinner. The food from disciples rather than from a website
only appears after the 4,000 days of verse 9]
7 They [the disciples]
also had a few little-fishes [icqudia]
[2x/4x];
and, having blessed these [2x], he told them
[the disciples] also to serve these [4x].
8 Accordingly they ate and were satisfied,
and they took up surpluses of fragments, 7 provision-baskets [spuridaV]
[FDS4 fulfilment. 2012Iyyar17 to 2012Chislev7,
the end of the 200 Denarii of Zoar food].
9 Yet there were about 4,000 [men] [2000Tishri16
- 2011Heshvan26 + 11x of verse 5 + 7 taking loaves + giving thanks for 7 loaf miracle + breaking 7 loaves + giving
the pieces of 7
loaves to his disciples (14x) + serving the pieces of 7 loaves to the crowd
(14x) + 10x of verse 7 = 2011Heshvan26+70 = 2011Shebat6, when we start feeding
the crowd]. And he sent them away [he
sent the 4000 days of reclining without loaves away and replaced them with face to
face loaf feeding]
(Mark 8).
10 And immediately [euquV] he boarded the
boat
with his disciples and came into the parts of Dalmanutha.
11 Here the
Pharisees came out and started disputing with him, seeking from him a sign from
heaven, to put him to the test.
12 So he groaned deeply with his spirit, and said: Why does this
generation seek a sign? Truly I say, No sign will be given to this generation.
13
And having left them, got aboard again [palin], and went off to the opposite shore.
14 And they forgot to take loaves
along, and except for one loaf they had nothing with them in the
boat.
15 And he began to order them expressly
and say: Keep your eyes open, look out for the leaven of the Pharisees and the
leaven of Herod.
16 So they went arguing with one another
over the fact that they had no loaves.
17 Noting this, he said to them: Why do
you argue over your having no loaves? Do you not yet perceive and get the
meaning? Do you have your hearts dull of understanding?
18 'Though having eyes, do you not see;
and though having ears, do you not hear?' And do you not remember,
19 when I broke the 5 loaves for the 5,000
[men], how many baskets full of fragments you took up? They said to him: 12.
20 When I broke the 7 [loaves
fulfilment and seals fulfilment,
they are broken too!]
for the 4,000 [men],
how many provision-baskets full of fragments did you take up? And they said to
him: 7.
21 With that he said to them: Do you not
yet get the meaning (Mark 8)? [We do now, the
physical end of Watchtower feeding occurs 12 years of months after Henschel
resigned, a
year for a basket, 2012Heshvan]
Mark 8:1-21 is parallel to Matthew 15:29-38 and to Matthew 16:5-12 (Matthew 15:39-16:4 about Pharisees and Sadducees in Magadan is not parallel to Mark).
Loaves (16), Boat (2), Baskets (2), Provision-baskets (4), Little-fishes (2), Fishes (1) - 2NC Celebration! Day (3)
A basket is a year, a provision basket is a month!
Little fishes are food from non presidentially managed research teams.
Women are sons of the ICC.
Children are sons of the 1AC.
Loaves are feeding campaigns and baskets are time units of leftovers.
In 1993 the writer knew that Jesus was directing him to find the symbolic meaning of the 12 full baskets of fragments (from the loaves) and the 7 baskets of fragments. This is the only account where Jesus directly instructs his disciples to work out the symbolic meaning of the NUMBER of things.
The writer knew it was a critical symbolic understanding and in 1993 he had no idea what it meant. A few years later he worked out that the 12 baskets must stand for 12 years after the end of the authorised food of FDS3 for the 1NC saints, i.e. 12 years from 1995Tishri, i.e. 1995Tishri to 2007Tishri. But this was incorrect. It was very close to the correct interpretation but incorrect because the writer initially thought that everyone would be dead in 2008 and then in 2009, so he could not interpret the 12 full years of months as running from 2000Heshvan4/5, the resignation of Henschel, the 5th loaf of the Watchtower.
However once the LWs worked out, on 2008Shebat1, that the last day of adamic mankind was 2012Heshvan27, from the temple ratio prophecy and the flood timeline, the correct interpretation became possible (actually its 2013Nisan14). We (Gordon Jeff and Dave) did not make this interpretation until Sunday June 28, 2009. It is a really important interpretation since it gives the last day of Watchtower feeding as occurring in 2012Heshvan, in a really simple and straightforward way. Now the last day of Watchtower feeding is 2012Heshvan4/5. 12 full years of days after the resignation of Milton Henschel, the 5th president of the Watchtower, a known physical event, on the date of 2000Heshvan4/5.
39
And he instructed them all to recline
company
[by]
company
on the green
grass.
40
And they laid themselves down
square
[by]
square
[4 true religions]
according to 100 and according to 50.
41
And having taken the 5
loaves
and the 2
fishes,
having looked up into heaven,
he blessed and broke the loaves
and began giving them to the
disciples,
in order that they might place them before them; and he divided up the 2 fishes for
all.
42
So they all ate and were satisfied;
43
and they took up
fragments,
ones-filling 12
of baskets [partitive
genitive],
and/aside from the fishes
[they
took up fragments as well]
(Mark 6).
Jesus instructed them (the 1NC saints) to recline for 100 years, in fact from 1904Tishri, the Gentile continuation call to 2004Heshvan17, when they became a false church and so were no longer under instructions from Jesus. Also green grass has water, i.e. an ICC or 1AC water baptism. They in fact continued to recline in the greater meaning longer than that, but not on green grass. Rotten saints recline for the full 12 baskets of fragments. Sadly many others will continue to recline until they are burnt alive in the bundle of weeds that the Watchtower finally becomes to be burnt in the fire of the end of adamic mankind...
30 Let both grow together until the harvest [ewV + genitive], and in the appointed-time of the harvest I will tell the reapers, collect first the weeds and bind them into bundles to burn them up, then gather the wheat into my storehouse' (Matthew 13).
But plainly the fragments remain over not from the end of the valency of Jesus' instruction to recline (the end of the 100 years of a congregation of 1NC saints being in the Watchtower) but from the end of the 5th loaf. Since 12 baskets full of fragments were taken up from the 5 loaves (and said to be aside from the fishes) in Mark. In the present fulfilment the 5th loaf continued to be eaten after the 100 year period when the saints were under instruction to eat from the loaves. In the greater meaning no one ate from baskets of fragments until the 5th loaf was finished on 2000Heshvan4/5.
So now we can see why Jesus went out of his way to ask his disciples to interpret the meaning of the numbers of baskets. In their last fulfilment they give us the last day/month of Watchtower feeding. Their food became toxic on 2004Heshvan17 and becomes deadly after 2011Chislev6. Mind you it was passed its sell by date on 1996Iyyar14 when they lost their appointment over the saints.
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Here is a comparative table of 5 of the 6 accounts of the feedings of the 4,000 and 5,000. We leave the feeding of the 5,000 of John 6 out because it won't fit in the table easily in a book or on a website and because it is slightly different, and so can be treated separately. There are 4 accounts of the feeding of the 5,000 and 2 of the feeding of the 4,000. So there are 4 greater feedings of the 5,000 and there are 2 greater feedings of the 4,000. These all form some coherent whole jigsaw in the greater meaning, the word symbolic meaning, by the Parallel Account Principle. The 4 feedings of the 5,000 are 4 distinct separate feedings that employ the same symbolism and form a coherent whole. As are the 2 feedings of the 4,000.
This section is not all correct. Please view it as an out of date work in progress!!
| Matthew 14 (5,000) | Matthew 15 (4,000) | Mark 6 (5,000) | Mark 8 (4,000) | Luke 9 (5,000) |
| Those in FDS1/WSS1 who do not go to FDS2 and those in FDS3/WSS2 who do not go to FDS4 | FDS2 Bilhah (because women were fed) | Those in FDS1/WSS1 who do go to FDS2 and those in FDS3/WSS2 who do go to FDS4 | FDS2 Zilpah (because the house existed) | Those in FDS1 and FDS2 who are also fed by
the food made by Jesus himself during his ministry. Food referred to by
John: 25 There are, in fact, many other things also which Jesus did, which, if ever they were written in full detail, I suppose, the world itself could not contain the scrolls written (John 21). The 12 were the primary disseminators of this food. Non scripturally recorded actions and words of Jesus. |
| Evening fell, disciples came | Crowd stayed with me 3 days | Hour late | Crowd remained near me 3 days | Day started to decline, the 12 came and said: |
| Place is lonely, hour already passed by (KI) | They have nothing to eat | Place isolated hour late | They have nothing to eat | Because lonely place |
| Send crowds away to villages to buy eatables | Not send fasting give out on 'way' | Send them into the encircling fields and villages to buy eatables | Not sent to their house fasting, give out on way (to house) (KI) | Dismiss crowd into encircling villages and fields, find lodging and provisions. |
| Some from far away | ||||
| You feed | Where lonely place enough loaves | You feed | Where isolated place enough loaves | You feed |
| Buy 200 Denarii loaves? | ||||
| How many loaves | How many loaves have you? Go see! | How many loaves | ||
| We have nothing but 5 loaves 2 fishes | 7 and a few little fishes | 5 and 2 fishes | 7 | We have nothing but 5 loaves 2 fishes, |
| Unless we buy, there were 5,000 men | ||||
| Bring them to me | Symposiums upon green grass, Garden rows of 100 and 50 | Said to disciples: have them recline in groups of 50 | ||
| He commanded crowds recline on grass | He instructed crowd recline on ground | He instructed people recline by companies on green grass | He instructed crowd recline on ground | They did so & had them all recline |
| took 5 loaves and 2 fishes | Took 7 loaves & fishes (not little fishes) | Took 5 loaves and 2 fishes | Took 7 loaves | Took 5 loaves 2 fishes |
| Looked up to heaven, said blessing | Gave thanks and broke them | Looked up to heaven said blessing | Gave thanks and broke them | Looked up to heaven, blessed them |
| broke loaves gave them to disciples and they in turn to the crowds | Began distributing to disciples who gave to crowds | Broke loaves gave to disciples to place before people | Began giving to disciples to serve, they served to crowd | Broke them up, began to give to disciples to set before crowd |
| Divided up 2 fishes for all | Also they had few little fishes, having blessed, told them to serve too | |||
| Surplus of fragments | Surplus of fragments | Fragments (not surplus) | Surpluses of fragments | Surplus (not of fragments) taken up: 12 large baskets of fragments |
| 12 large baskets (kofinwn) full | 7 hand/provision baskets (sfuridaV) full | 12 large baskets full aside from fishes | 7 hand/provision baskets full | |
| Those eating were 5,000 men besides women & boys | Those eating were 4,000 men besides women and boys | Those who ate from the loaves were 5,000 men | There were about 4,000 | |
| compelled disciples other side | Sent crowds away | compelled disciples boat opposite shore | Sent them away | |
| Sent crowds away | Got boat to Magadan | Sent crowd away himself (KI) | Got boat with disciples, to Dalmanutha |
(KI) means that the NWT (New World Translation) has been amended in accordance with the Greek Kingdom Interlinear Translation. The underlined words (phrases) are repeated in the Greek text (hour late, serve, recline).
The feeding of the 5,000 in John 6 is the odd one out of the 4 feedings:
| John 6 (5,000) |
| Jesus went up mountain, passover near, sitting with disciples |
| Jesus said to Philip: Where buy loaves? Said this to test him |
| Philip: 200 Denarii not enough so each one gets a little |
| Andrew, brother of Simon Peter, said: |
| Boy with 5 barley loaves 2 small fishes (oyaria) : What are these among so many ? |
| Jesus said have men recline as at meal |
| Lot of grass so men reclined, 5,000 |
| Took loaves |
| Gave thanks |
| He gave to those reclining |
| Also as much of the small fishes as they wanted |
| Gather together the fragments remaining nothing is wasted |
| Filled 12 large baskets with fragments remaining from the barley loaves |
Word count (from Greek):
| Matthew 14 (5,000) | Matthew 15 (4,000) | Mark 6 (5,000) | Mark 8 (4,000) | Luke 9 (5,000) | John 6 (4,000) |
| Disciples 4x | Disciples 4x | Disciples 3x | Disciples 3x | Disciples 2x | Disciples 3x |
| Crowds 4x | Jesus 2x | Crowd 2x | Crowd 4x | Crowd 2x | Jesus 4x |
| Loaves 3x | Crowd 3x | Hour 2x | Days 2x | Loaves 2x | Loaves 5x (inc. 2x barley loaves) |
| Fishes 2x | Crowds 2x | Loaves 5x | Loaves 3x | Fishes 2x | (Small) fishes 2x |
| Loaves 3x | Fishes 4x | Fragments 2x | |||
| Fishes 2x | Symposiums 2x | ||||
| Garden rows 2x |
As the accounts of the two feedings are both parallel
accounts, the repetitions in each separate gospel account are added together to
make a total of word repetitions for each feeding miracle account, because due
to the parallel account principle of the code (see 'The bible code', section
C15), each separate gospel account is part of one whole account in the word
symbolism. Here is the total word count for each of the accounts of the feeding
miracles.
Feeding of the
5,000:
| Symbolic word/phrase | Total Word count |
| Disciples | 9x |
| Crowds | 4x |
| Crowd | 4x |
| Loaves | 10x |
| Fishes | 8x |
| Symposiums | 2x |
| Garden rows | 2x |
Feeding of the 4,000:
| Symbolic word/phrase | Total Word count |
| Disciples | 10x |
| Jesus | 6x |
| Crowd | 7x |
| Crowds | 2x |
| Loaves | 11x |
| Barley Loaves | 2x |
| Days | 2x |
| Fishes | 4x |
| Small fishes | 2x |
| Fragments | 2x |
Before
you can understand the greater meaning of all of these feeding miracles, which
of course refer to the spiritual feeding of the various flocks in the 4 true
Christian religions you need to know the following:
| True Christian Religion number | Administration of it: Slave of Matthew 24 or Steward of Luke12 | Abbreviated name (S = Slave or Steward) |
New Covenant Saints in it? | Newer Covenant Saints in it (Bilhah FDS2 or Rachel FDS4) | Presence of Christ, i.e. existence on earth of New Covenant Saints |
| 1 | Faithful & Discreet Slave 1 | FDS1 | Yes | No | First Presence |
| 2 | Faithful, Discreet Steward 1 | FDS2 | Until 119Elul (August/September) | Yes | First and after |
| 3 | Faithful & Discreet Slave 2 | FDS3 | Yes | No | Second Presence |
| 4 | Faithful, Discreet Steward 2 | FDS4 | Until 2004Elul (August/September) | Yes | Second and after |
For an explanation of the covenants see - [11], [32]. For an explanation of the 4 true Christian religions see [33], [34].
The Main Symbolism
Now before we start, we listen to the words of Jesus spoken to his disciples but written not for them but for us. Beloved reader, this is Jesus speaking to you personally, it is a Reader Question. Take it this way please. He is speaking to you.
9 Do you not yet see the point, or do you not remember the five
loaves in the case of the five thousand and how many baskets you took up?
10 Or the seven loaves in the case of the four thousand and how
many provision baskets you took up? (Matthew 16).
19 When I broke the five loaves for the five thousand [men], how
many baskets full of fragments you took up? They said to him: Twelve.
20 When I broke the seven for the four thousand [men], how many
provision baskets full of fragments did you take up? And they said to him:
Seven.
21 With that he said to them: Do you not yet get the meaning?
(Mark 8).
So, beloved brother or sister, do you not yet see the point? Do you not yet get the meaning? The Key to understanding the symbolism of the feedings of the 5,000 and the 4,000 is the number of provision baskets taken up in each case. Jesus, God, the holy spirit, is telling you this explicitly and directly. It isn’t coded in any knot or obscure twisted symbolism. Now what could these baskets stand for, what could they mean? Joseph has already answered this question in the case of the three baskets of the chief of the bakers (who one presumes made loaves) in Genesis 40:
18 Then Joseph answered and said: This is its interpretation: The three baskets are three days (Genesis 40).
And here his antitype is making the same interpretation as regards the current presence of the Christ:
The word symbolism of all 4 feedings of the 5,000 is as follows:
| Recline | Join the True Christian Religion, prepare to eat food |
| Ground | True Christian Religion |
| Grass (Grows on wet ground) | Water baptised Christians in the true religion |
| Recline on the ground | Join as a result of the efforts of the administration (great food, great understandings) |
| Recline on the grass | Join as a result of the efforts of the congregation (evangelising) |
| Hand Provision basket | ?? |
| Large Basket | Year of left over food after the fall of FDS1 or FDS3. |
| 12 Baskets of fragments | 12 Further watches of FDS2 over sanctified Christians after the first two fishes (119Elul - 455Tishri). |
| Surplus of fragments | Food served after the 5th or 7th loaf that is no longer authorised by Jesus. It is past its sell by date. |
| Fragments (not said to be surplus) | Left over food after the 5th loaf which is not necessarily unauthorised by Jesus to be distributed. In fact in the first presence it was still authorised and in the second it was not. |
| 3 days with me | Day of cornerstone (Jesus or Russell), Day of Faithful & Discreet Slave (FDS1 or FDS3), then the day of Faithful Discreet Steward (FDS2 or FDS4). During the first two and the start of the third day they remain with the new covenant saints, Jesus' body in FDS1 or FDS3. |
| Nothing to eat | ?? |
| Opposite shore/Other side | FDS2 from FDS1 or FDS4 from FDS3, i.e. the next true religion, slave of Matthew to steward of Luke |
| Bread | Leavened spiritual food, from the land, understandings prepared by the administration of the 1NC saints. The journalists are the administration the editors are the governing body. |
| Fishes | Hidden food, Coded understandings, prepared by the sea, mankind, but caught/edited by the administration of the 2NC saints. The journalists are all of mankind, the editors are the governing body. |
| Surrounding Villages | Groups of sanctified Christians, not in any true religion. Villages are other religions, but not God's city, i.e. false religions. |
| Surrounding Fields | Personal bible research (a Christian's own food harvested himself from the bible). |
| You feed them | Jesus wants New Covenant Saints to feed the sons of Abraham by the 2AC in the congregation as well |
| Looked up to heaven and said blessing | Blessed food, distributed under heavenly direction. |
| Gave thanks and broke them | Unblessed food, distributed under earthly direction only. |
| Took 7 loaves & fishes (not little fishes) | Paul who had fish food, he was the first fish of FDS2 was also in FDS1 at a high level. |
| Men | Saints (both men and women), Sanctified under the New covenant (5,000) or a Newer covenant (4,000) |
| 5,000 men | The 5,000 men of Acts 4:4, the start of FDS1. And the 5,000 men and women who were baptised into the New Covenant from heaven in 1895Tishri by virtue of their having been baptised into the 2AC by the Watchtower through Charles Russell, the Elijah for FDS3. In other words once the membership of the Watchtower had reached 5,000 (which occurred in 1895Tishri) |
| Women | Men and women baptised into the 2AC in the congregation who aren't sanctified into either the New or the Newer covenants |
| Boys | Water baptised Children, girls or boys (over 5 years old) who are too young to be sanctified (under 20 years old). |
NB. The words 'men' 'women' etc. are only mentioned once in each account. But all the parallel accounts make one giant account symbolism. So in fact the words 'men' and 'women' appear twice.
4 However, many of those who had listened to the speech believed, and the number of the men became about 5,000 (Acts 4).
37 And as he was about to be led into the soldiers' quarters,
Paul said to the military commander: Am I allowed to say something to you? He
said: Can you speak Greek?
38 Are you not really the Egyptian who before these days
stirred up a sedition and led the 4,000 dagger men out into the
wilderness? (Acts 21).
In the literal meaning no, in the symbolic meaning yes.
| 5 Loaves | 5 feeding programs of the 5 presidents of FDS1 and/or FDS3 |
| 2 Fishes | 2 feeding programs of the 2 presidents of FDS2 and/or FDS4 who preside whilst the New Covenant Saints were still around |
| 7 Loaves | ?? |
| Symposiums | Individual congregations in FDS2 FDS4, the stewards |
| Garden rows (groups) | Individual congregation in FDS1 FDS3, the slaves |
| 12 baskets of fragments (not said to be surplus) | 12 years after FDS1 has fallen of clean but out of date food 67 - 79 CE |
| 12 baskets of fragments (said to be surplus) | 12 years after FDS3 falls of unclean food, from 1994Elul to 2006Elul when all false religions are destroyed by the UN. This is the feeding program of the evil salve of Matthew 24 of the general Watchtower members. |
| 7 baskets of surplus fragments | ?? |
| House (Mark 8) | Temple of Newer Covenant Saints |
| Way (Mark 6) | FDS1 was called 'the way' |
| Groups of 50 and 100 (loaves only) | FDS3 feeds for 100 years from 1895Tishri CE to 1994 CE (100 years inclusively) when it falls. FDS1 feeds for 50 years from 29 CE to 79 CE, 12 years after it falls in 67 Tishri CE |
| Groups of 50 (Loaves and fishes) Luke | 100 years from 29Tishri to 128/9, when the second fish ends. Groups of 50 are made 100x from 5,000 men. |
| Buy food | Food from a third party. FDS1 takes food from FDS2 as it's own |
| 200 Denarii | Food from a third party for 200 days. FDS3 takes food from FDS4 as its own, this is probably the 200 cubits of John 21. |
| Boat | Holy Spirit |
| Dalmanutha with disciples | FDS4 |
| Magadan | FDS2 |
| Sent crowds away | Jesus rejected that true religion. This occurs for WSS1, WSS2, FDS3. |
| 5 Barley loaves | 5 watches of FDS3 serving food prepared by Charles Russell and his associates before they became 1NC saints. Barley is harvested before wheat. |
| 2 small fishes | 2 watches of FDS4 serving coded food prepared by Charles Russell and his associates before the became 1NC saints. Food such as, Daniel 4, the Gentile Times, and the understanding that Jesus is the angel Michael and was elevated to the status of a God to be worshipped and prayed to after he ransomed Adam. Jesus must have loved this man. |
| Andrew | Andrew (Peter's Brother) Second presence 1NC saints. |
| Peter | First presence 1NC saints |
| Philip | Unfaithful 1NC, rotten saints |
| Boy | Charles Russell |
| Lot of grass | Water baptised Christians. |
| Passover | The 1NC was about to be celebrated again in 1885Nisan, the first passover in the second presence. |
| Jesus went up Mountain | Jesus started forming an administration at the full limit of the appointed times to gather together all things again in the Christ |
| 12 baskets of fragments from loaves | 12 years from 1994Tammuz to 2006Elul. When the loaf administration ends at the fall of Babylon. |
In the case of FDS3, the Watchtower, the 3rd True Christian Religion, the 5 loaves are the five feeding campaigns under the 5 presidents of FDS3, (Russell, Rutherford, Knorr, Franz, Henschel). These loaves were broken by Jesus and given to his disciples to give to the crowds. But the baskets of fragments were picked up by the disciples without any involvement by Jesus, and the 5,000 were sent away by Jesus before any food was eaten from the baskets. So the 12 years run from 1994Tammuz30, the disfellowshipping of FDS3 and all the Jehovah’s witnesses by Jesus, until 2006Elul (it is not accurate to the month, just to the year it would appear, as in the case of the 100 years inclusive of food of FDS3 from 1895Tishri to 1994Tammuz). They end in 2006Elul because this is the end of the 7 years of the 7 horns of the lamb as though slaughtered of Revelation 5 see [151], which follow after the 7 years of the 7 eyes of said lamb. And the 7 eyes started in 1992Elul, with the arrival of Gordon's first book at the HQ of the Watchtower in Brooklyn. Gordon realised that the 7 years of the eyes ended in 1999Elul, in the very month of 1999Elul. This was his call to get on the white horse with his bow and start conquering. For the first horseman of the Apocalypse is not Jesus, but is the antetypical Joseph. The current bible decoder. This book/website contains some of his arrows which go over the wall of the Watchtower - Genesis 49:22-26.
The two fishes in the case of FDS4, the last true Christian religion are the feeding programs of the two presidents to the 6th and 7th congregations of Revelation 3, Philadelphia and Laodicea. The first 5 presidents of the Watchtower were the angels of the first 5 congregations Revelation 2,3 (Ephesus to Sardis).
Now the food of the Watchtower was loaves, which come from bread which comes from wheat (which is the remnant) which comes from the land which is the administration. But the food of the Lords' Witnesses, the life, is fish, which is a hidden food, which comes from the waters, and the sea, which is not the administration but is those governed by it. Our food comes from the congregation, not from the administration. It is true that the administration serves it up, but they do not produce it.
The UN wipes out all religious organisations from the planet in 2006Elul. The beast kills the Harlot. This is why the lamb loses power in 2006Elul and this is why in Revelation 18 we read:
10 While they stand at a distance because of their fear of her torment and say: Too bad, too bad, you great city, Babylon you strong city, because in one hour your judgement has arrived! (Revelation 18).
16 Saying: Too bad, too bad--the great city, clothed with fine linen and purple and scarlet, and richly adorned with gold ornament and precious stone and pearl (Revelation 18).
19 And they threw dust upon their heads and cried out, weeping and mourning, and said: Too bad, too bad--the great city, in which all those having boats at sea became rich by reason of her costliness, because in one hour she has been devastated! (Revelation 18).
Too bad, Too bad. A lament two times. Two years, 2006Elul to 2008Elul, the end of Armageddon, see [163].
| Matthew 14 (5,000) | Matthew 15 (4,000) | Mark 6 (5,000) | Mark 8 (4,000) | Luke 9 (5,000) | John (5,000) |
| FDS1/FDS3 who don't make it into FDS2/FDS4 |
?? |
FDS1/FDS3 who do make it into FDS2/FDS4 | WSS two servings | Those in FDS1 and FDS2 who are fed by the food made by Jesus himself during his ministry. (he was not a new covenant saint - he never needed to be sanctified). Food not recorded in the bible. | Those in FDS3 and FDS4 who are fed by the food made by Russell himself and his co researchers prior to his sanctification in 1884Tishri. After this date he was a 1NC saint so he was giving out bread. |
| The hour has passed by. i.e. a new day has started. Crowds sent away, opposite side, bread but no fish | 7 loaves, loaves given thanks. Also fishes eaten.
Send crowds away |
crowd sent away, opposite side, garden rows of 100 and 50 for the bread through disciples. Then, divided fishes for all (not said to go to 50 100 groups). all includes people who did not get the loaves. | 'House' is the temple of 2NC which only exists in FDS4.
7 loaves WS and few little fishes SS, two servings. Little fishes blessed loves given thanks. Sent them away. |
Groups of about 50
Crowd not sent away boat not opposite side, disciples gave out bread and fish 12 baskets of fragments are 12 more presidents of FDS2 |
Barley is harvested before wheat. Russell was sanctified in 1884Tishri, the rest of the 1NC saints were sanctified between 1895Tishri and 1955Tishri. |
He gave orders to them to recline all [ones] symposiums, symposiums upon the green grass
They fell up garden rows, garden rows, according to 100 and according to 50 (Mark 6).
Recline them in groups, as if up 50 (Luke 9). 100 years from 29Tishri to 128/9, when the second fish ends.
congregations of 50 strong for 100 years. This was FDS3 1895Tishri to 1994Tammuz, followed by 12 years of fragments to 2006Elul.
Congregations of 100 strong for 50 years. This was FDS1 29 to 67 then 12 inclusive of fragments, that is why fragments were not said to be a surplus. So it runs from 29 to 78/9, So all is symposiums which is FDS2 and FDS4 who get fish, and not said to be all is groups and FDS1 FDS3 who get bread.
5,000 are water baptised?
100 times from 29Tishri to 129Tishri when second fish ends in first presence. Then 12 baskets of fragments are 12 more heads of FDS2. So that it had 14 in total over its 388 years (28 years each).
Green grass is water baptised guys. Ground is no grass, no water baptised guys in case of 4,000.
200 Denarii of loaves of Mark are 29 to 119 and 1884 to 1994?
200 Denarii of loaves of John 200 days of the Watchtower providing food developed by FDS4, whilst representing that God will only reveal understandings to them. This period is yet to commence.