REVELATION CHAPTER 12
1 And a great sign was seen in heaven, a
woman
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OLD INCORRECT IDEAS
The Dragon is an external secular corrupting force. The Serpent is an internal religious corrupting force.
REVELATION CHAPTER 12 [the Watchtower thread]
1 And a great sign was seen in heaven [heaven
upstairs], a woman [TCC3]
arrayed with the sun [Jesus], and
the moon [Satan] was beneath her
feet, and on her head [FDS3] was a
crown of 12 stars [12 apostles of the 1NC],
2 and she was pregnant. And she cries out in
her pains and in her agony to give birth [to
all 2nd presence 1NC saints].
3 And another sign was seen in heaven, and,
look! a great fiery-colored dragon [Satan's
heavenly government of the earth], having 7 heads [over
the sons of the JAC] and 10 horns and upon its heads 7 diadems;
4 and its tail [the
final phase of the dragon's corruption of the church] drags a 3rd of
the stars of heaven [1NC saints, meaning 50%
more are sanctified than get sealed, so that 2/3rd of those sanctified are
sealed], and it hurled them down to the
earth. And the dragon kept standing before the woman who was about to give
birth, that, when she did give birth, it might devour her child [Gordon].
5 And she gave birth to a
son, a male [one], who is to shepherd all the nations with an
iron rod [2NC saints stuck in the Watchtower].
And her child was caught away to God and to his throne [To
the new church].
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness [of
not being a true church], where she has a place prepared by God, that
they should feed her there 1,260 days [2004Tishri
- 2008Nisan].
7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and
his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled
8 but it did not prevail, neither was a place
found for them any longer in heaven.
9 So down was hurled the
dragon, the great, the serpent, the original, the one called Devil and Satan,
the [one] misleading the entire inhabited [one] [all
the JWs]; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled
down with him [shown to be secularly,
physically motivated].
10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and
the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers [in
the 2NC in the Watchtower, brothers of the 1NC saints] has been
hurled down [not said to be to the earth. Here
it is into Gehenna], who accuses them day and night before our God!
11 And they [the
saints] conquered him [Satan]
because of the blood of the Lamb [they were
truly spirit sanctified] and because of the word of their witnessing [they
spoke out having conquered their fear of him], and they did not love
their souls even in the face of death [they
overcome their fear of death knowing the love of God, and what death really is].
12 On this account be glad, you heavens [upstairs
and downstairs] and you who reside in them [angels
and saints]! Woe for the earth [secular
administration of the world] and for the sea [private
sector mankind], because the Devil [the
evicted dragon] has come down to you, having great anger, knowing he
has a short period of time [the time of the
end].
13 Now when the dragon saw that it was hurled
down to the earth, it persecuted the woman [TCC4]
that gave birth to the male [one] [by second
water baptism].
14 But the 2 wings [1NC
kings and 2NC kings] of the great eagle were given the woman [the
saints finally come out of the cave and hook up with the LWs administration],
that she might fly into the wilderness to her place [internal
wilderness, LW research facility. Humble low profile research]; there
is where she is fed for a time and times and half a time [not
1260 days, but 3½ times where times can be years months or days] away
from the face of the serpent [the internal
corruptor of the LWs].
15 And the serpent disgorged water like a
river from its mouth after the woman, to cause her to be drowned by the river.
16 But the earth came to the woman's help,
and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the river that the dragon
disgorged from its mouth.
17 And the dragon grew wrathful at the woman,
and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her seed, who observe the
commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness to Jesus.
6 For there has been a child born
to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come
to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful
Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9)
REVELATION CHAPTER 12 [the heavenly thread]
1 And a great sign was seen in heaven [heaven
upstairs], a woman [TCC4]
arrayed with the sun [Jesus through the 1NC
Kings now ruling in heaven], and the moon [Satan]
was beneath her feet [Satan himself already
being abyssed], and on her head [FDS4]
was a crown of 12 stars [12 apostles of the
2NC],
2 and she was pregnant . And she cries out in
her pains and in her agony to give birth [to
all 2nd presence 2NC saints and 1NC reserves, by water baptism].
3 And another sign was seen in heaven, and,
look! a great fiery-colored dragon [Satan's
heavenly government of the earth], having 7 heads [over
the sons of the JAC] and 10 horns and upon its heads 7 diadems [secular
kingship];
4 and its tail [the
final phase of the dragon's power. the anglo american head] drags a
3rd of the stars of heaven [sanctified members
of both 2NC saints & 1NC reserve saints], and it hurled them down
to the earth [1/3rd of all those who are
sanctified, do not get sealed]. And the dragon kept standing before
the woman who was about to give birth, that, when she did give birth, it might
devour her child [sons of the 1NC and 2NC].
5 And she gave birth to a
son, a male [one], who is to shepherd all the nations with an iron
rod [1NC and 2NC saints water baptised into
TCC4 whilst in the cave of 1Kings18 in the Watchtower] And her child
was caught away to God and to his throne [After
the wall of Jericho falls].
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness [The
cave, hiding from Jezebel], where she has there a place prepared by
God [a true religious retreat],
that they [The LWs] should feed her
there 1,260 days [2004Heshvan1 - 2008Iyyar1].
7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and
his angels [1NC Kings] battled with
the dragon [Satan's heavenly administration of
the earth], and the dragon and its angels battled
8 but it did not prevail, neither was a place
found for them any longer in heaven [The
dragon loses its heavenly vantage point. So it has to fight from an earthly
perspective. The Dragon loses its position on the unusually high mountain].
9 So down was hurled the
dragon, the great, the serpent, the original, the one called Devil and Satan,
the [one] misleading the entire inhabited [one] [Satan's
heavenly government of the earth]; he was hurled down to the earth,
and his angels were hurled down with him [the
congregation of the dragon].
10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God [Jesus]
and the authority of his Christ [Gordon],
because the accuser [Satan] of our
brothers [all the saints] has been
hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God! [A
Judas figure, the man of lawlessness in the late LWs, is deposed then salvation
can occur into the new admin of Zoar, then power of understandings in the new
kingdom of God, the next system, the heavenly Zion, then the authority of his
anointed one(s) (heavenly and earthly) in that kingdom]
11 And they [their
true 2NC royal brothers] conquered him [the
dragon or the accuser, the man of lawlessness] because of the blood [and
spiritual gifts] of the Lamb [they
were truly spirit sanctified in the 2NC and 1NC proving true to their calling by
the Holy Spirit as Bible researchers, treasuring the gifts of the lamb. They
continued worshipping God and not the idolized leadership] and
because of the word of their witnessing [witnessing
to the love of God and the beautiful depth of his book], and they did
not love their souls even in the face of death [they
overcome their fear of being disfellowshipped].
12 On this account be glad, you heavens [since
this is the time of the end] and you who reside in them [angels
and 1NC saints, 2NC saints and sons of the 1BRC & 2BRC - all who reside!]!
Woe for the earth [secular administration of
the world OR all false religious administrations now seen to be of earthly
origin] and for the sea [private
sector mankind OR all other people], because the Devil has come down
to you, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time.
13 And when the dragon saw that it was hurled
down to the earth, it persecuted the woman [TCC4]
that gave birth to the male [one] [the kingdom
of God].
14 But the 2 wings [1BRC
& 2BRC] of the great eagle [flying
in midheaven, rising up to heaven] [this is the one mediating the rapture
covenants] were given the woman, that she might fly into the
wilderness to her place [Zoar, the place in
the mountainous region where everybody is safe]; there is where she
is fed for a time and times and half a time []
away from the face of the serpent [The evil
slave that corrupted the Watchtower] the serpent disgorged water like a river from its mouth
after the woman, to cause her to be, drowned by the river.
16 But the earth came to the woman's help,
and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the river that the dragon
disgorged from its mouth. [This looks like two
rivers are disgorged, one from the serpent and one from the dragon. Only the
dragon's river is swallowed up by the earth]
17 And the dragon grew wrathful at
the woman, and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her seed, who
observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness to Jesus [the
Lords' Witnesses, comprising the remaining 1NC reserves and the 2NC saints].
REVELATION CHAPTER 12 [the 1st century]
1 And a great sign was seen in heaven, a
woman [Mary] arrayed with the sun [Michael],
and the moon [Satan] was beneath
her feet [Mary was sacntified, having an
angelic soul, whose figurative feet have conquered the moon], and on
her head [The Lord = Jehovah, for she was the
Lord's slave girl - Luke 1:38] was a crown of 12 stars [12
apostles of the second holy spirit],
2 and she [Mary]
was pregnant [through immaculate
conception - in vivo]. And she cries out in her pains and in her
agony to give birth [to the savior of the
world].
3 And another sign was seen in heaven, and,
look! a great fiery-colored dragon [Satan's
corrupting secular administration of the Jews], having 7 heads [7
corrupt vassals such as Herod] and 10 horns and upon its heads 7
diadems [having rulership];
4 and its tail [the
final phase of corruption of the secular rulers under law] drags a
3rd of the stars of heaven [1/3rd of the
saints under law fail to get sealed due to the effect of this dragon],
and it hurled them down to the earth [losing
their associated angels]. And the dragon kept standing before the
woman [Mary] who was about to give
birth, that, when she [Mary] did
give birth, it might devour her child [Immanuel
- hence they fled to Egypt].
5 And she gave birth to a
son, a male [one], who is to shepherd all the nations with an iron
rod [Jesus/Michael - a child was born, a son
was given] And her child was caught away to God and to his throne [immanuel
was raptured when Michael entered him].
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness,
where she has there a place prepared by God, that they [the
righteous angels] should feed her there 1,260 days [Mary
fled with Jesus to Egypt for 3.5 years - being fed by the angels until they told
them to go to Nazareth]
7 And war broke out in heaven [after
he ascended]: Michael and his angels [the
1NC saints of the first church] battled with the dragon [Satan],
and the dragon and its angels [the fallen JAC
saints of the law] battled
8 but it did not prevail, neither was a place
found for them any longer in heaven [because
heaven moved from the Sanhedrin to FDS1].
9 So down was hurled the
dragon, the great, the serpent, the original, the one called Devil and Satan,
the [one] misleading the entire inhabited [one] [nation
of Israel]; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were
hurled down with him [becoming totally secular
since the law was now a false religion].
10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God [Jehovah]
and the authority of his Christ [Michael],
because the accuser [Satan] of our
brothers [1NC saints] has been
hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God!
11 And they [the
righteous 1NC saints] conquered him [Satan]
because of the blood of the Lamb [Jesus]
and because of the word of their witnessing [works
which perfected their faith], and they did not love their souls even
in the face of death [even knowing they would
have to follow Jesus' way and suffer death, being baptised into death].
12 On this account be glad, you heavens [all
levels] and you who reside in them [all
who have, do and will reside in them]! Woe for the earth [governments
of mankind] and for the sea [private
sector mankind], because the Devil has come down to you, having great
anger, knowing he has a short period of time [before
he goes to Gehenna for 1,000 years for betraying righteous blood].
13 And when the dragon saw that it was hurled
down to the earth, it persecuted the woman [TCC1]
that gave birth to the male [one] [1NC saints].
14 But the 2 wings [1NC
saints and the EHC saints at the end of FDS1] of the great eagle [Michael]
were given the woman, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place; there
is where she is fed for a time and times and half a time [3½
years around the end of the water baptism of FDS1 which was 75Nisan. 75Nisan to
78Tishri] from the face of the serpent [The
internal corruptor of FDS1, the people seduced by the Roman state].
15 And [the
RCs in GNS1 send loads of people to swamp the new FDS2] the serpent
disgorged water like a river from its mouth after the woman, to cause her to be,
drowned by the river.
16 But the earth came to the woman's help,
and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the river that the dragon
disgorged from its mouth. [Two rivers are
disgorged, one from the serpent and one from the dragon. Only the dragon's river
is swallowed up by the earth. Or the Serpent has become a dragon when GNS1
becomes a false church.]
17 And the dragon grew wrathful at
the woman, and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her seed, who
observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness to Jesus [TCC2].
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OLD INCORRECT STUFF
1 And a great sign was seen in
heaven, a woman arrayed with the sun, and the moon was beneath her feet, and on
her head was a crown of 12 stars,
2 and she was pregnant. And she cries out in
her birth-pain and in her agony to give birth.
3 And another sign was seen in heaven, and,
look! a great fiery-colored dragon, with 7 heads and 10 horns and upon its heads
7 diadems;
4 and its tail drags a 3rd of the stars of
heaven, and it hurled them down to the earth. And the dragon kept standing
before the woman who was about to give birth, that, when she did give birth, it
might devour her child.
5 And she gave birth to a son, a
male, who is
to shepherd all the nations with an iron rod. And her child was caught away to
God and to his throne.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness,
where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there 1,260
days.
7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and
his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled
8 but it did not prevail, neither was a place
found for them any longer in heaven.
9 So down was hurled the
dragon, the great, the serpent, the original, the [one] called Devil and the Satan,
the [one] misleading the entire
inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled
down with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and
the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled
down, who accuses them day and night before our God!
11 And they conquered him because of the
blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their witnessing, and they did not
love their souls even in the face of death.
12 On this account be glad, you heavens and
you who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has
come down to you, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time.
13 Now when the dragon saw that it was hurled
down to the earth, it persecuted the woman that gave birth to the male.
14 But the 2 wings of the
eagle, the great were
given the woman, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place; there is
where she is fed for a time and times and half a time away from the face of the
serpent.
15 And the serpent disgorged water like a
river from its mouth after the woman, to cause her to be drowned by the river.
16 But the earth came to the woman's help,
and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the river that the dragon
disgorged from its mouth.
17 And the dragon grew wrathful at the woman,
and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her seed, who observe the
commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness to Jesus.
Giving birth to a son is starting or restarting the 1NC baptism and starting or completing the 2NC baptism and resurrections from 1918Nisan.
c. 570: Birth of Muhammad
622: The Hegira: Muhammad flees to Medina
630: Muhammad captures Mecca
632: Muhammad dies.
610-641: Syria, Palestine and Egypt are conquered by Muslims
680: Council of Constantinople: Monophysitism (there is no trinity) is declared
unorthodox
681: The First Bulgarian Empire is formed.
690s: Muslims conquer Byzantine North Africa
717-718: Muslims lay siege to Constantinople
Only a year after Heraklius had become emperor of the Holy Roman empire in Constantinople, on October 5, 610, the Persians seized Antioch, Damascus in 613, Jerusalem in 614, and finally Egypt from around 619- 629. Many Christians were executed and churches burned.
It was Abraham who was told:
5 Look up please to the heavens and count the stars if you are possibly able to count them ... so your seed will become (Genesis 15).
6 And I will make you very, very fruitful and will make you become
nations, and kings will come out of you
(Genesis 17).
It was Joseph who dreamed this dream:
9 Here I have had a dream, once more, and here the sun and the moon and 11 stars were bowing down to me (Genesis 37).
Jacobs' interpretation of this was that the sun was Joseph's father (who was Jacob), the moon was his mother, the 11 stars were his brothers (he was the 12th star) in the literal meaning:
10 Then he related it to his father as well as his brothers, and his father began to rebuke him and say to him: What does this dream that you have dreamed mean? Am I and also your mother and your brothers for certain going to come and bow down to the earth to you? (Genesis 37).
The heavenly woman has the symbolic features of Joseph's dream, and she gives birth to heavenly children (angels) since like begets like. Her stars and Kings are children of Abraham, but they are also the glory of the heavenly woman, so they are her angelic children. So she is Abraham's wife of spirit begotten sons, the third abrahamic covenant. One can also deduce that the woman is the 3AC (or a covenant of that length) from the symbolism of the Dragon, which is Satan's whole organisation, which has only 7 diadems who are the world powers from Egypt to today - see later.
Jesus is the sun, the light of the world, and his wife (the moon in the symbolism of Joseph's dream) is the new covenant saints. The ones of these who are on the earth are beneath the woman's feet. The ones of these who are in the heavens are her crown. The 12 stars are the 12 apostles of the lamb:
14 The wall of the city had 12 foundation stones, and on them the 12 names of the 12 apostles of the lamb (Revelation 21).
These 12 do not include Judas. He was replaced not by Matthias who was one of two chosen by the 120 brothers of Acts 1:15 followed by a prayer to God, not to Jesus. It of course does no good to say to God, which one of these two men whom we have chosen are you going to choose! Also Apostles are sent forth by Jesus, not by God.
24
And they prayed and said:
You, O Lord, who knows the hearts of all, designate which one of these two men you have chosen,
25 to take the place of this ministry and
apostleship, from which Judas deviated to go to his own place.
26 So they cast lots over them, and the lot fell upon Matthias;
and he was reckoned along with the 11 apostles (Acts 1).
The Lot fell on Matthias yes, but God would not chose in a case where he had delegated this choice to his son (Jesus chose the 12 apostles himself). God was not in a position to choose, hence the scripture does not say: and the Lord chose Matthias. Judas was said to be one of the 12 many times in the gospels. Matthias was said to be reckoned along with the 11, an entirely different description.
Neither was Judas replaced by Barnabus who was an apostle (one sent forth) but not one sent forth by Jesus. Paul, however was sent forth by Jesus and so he was the 12th apostle of the lamb. Paul was the antithesis of Judas, starting in sin rather than holiness and ending in holiness rather than sin. All 13 apostles were called and baptised by Jesus.
These 12 are Kings over all of Abraham's seed (members of the 2AC).
The 3.5 times is the 1260 days from Rutherford's release until Cedar Point.
The serpent cannot disgorge water from its mouth like a river in order to drown a woman who is given two wings like an eagle. So the disgorging and swallowing was before the fleeing. So it was the imprisonment as a result of lobbying from members of Babylon and then the earth caused the release when the secular judicial administration released the brothers. The woman wanted to go away from the face of the serpent AFTER the serpent had disgorged the water.
| Sun | Jesus |
| Moon | New covenant saints on earth (the remnant) |
| Stars in crown | 12 apostles (Paul for Judas) |
| Crown | Heavenly New covenant saints |
| A son, a male born | Second procreation of Leah, second baptism of New covenant saints 1895Tishri to 1991Tishri |
| Caught away to God | New covenant saints' resurrections in 1918, 1925, 1955, 1995, and second new covenant saint' resurrection on 2008Tammuz1 |
| Caught away to throne | First New covenant saints are vassals of Jesus who is vassal of God in FDS3 |
| Woman | 3AC |
| The Woman | 1NC |
| Flight of the woman to wilderness, 1260 days | 1918Veadar14 (1919March21) Release of President Rutherford and directors from Prison to 1922Elul14 (Friday September 8th) Advertise King and Kingdom - The famous Kingdom talk of JFR. Although JFR was advertising a Kingdom which was believed to have started in 1874 at that time. It is most notable that a resolution was adopted on Sunday 10th September challenging the nations of the earth that adhered to the 'abominable' league of Nations and notifying them that the failure of the League was decreed by God. Here is proof that the woman (members of the 3AC) were indeed in a 'place prepared by God that they should feed her'. The correct understanding of the League as the beast of Revelation13 was some of this food. |
| Second description of a flight of the woman to wilderness away from the face of the serpent, 3.5 times. | The same period as the first description of the flight. This is the 1260 days from JFR being released until Cedar Point. The Serpent here is the internal corruption of Babylon, which persecuted the Watchtower. |
| Serpent | Satan's organisation within Babylon (all false religion) before it fell in 1918Nisan, and just after. As he was in the tree in the garden |
| Michael vs Satan battle 3 | ww1 and appointment of FDS3, result Kingdom of God in heaven and over Abraham's seed on earth, the end of the Gentile Times. |
| Satan and demons hurled from heaven to earth on 1918Nisan14 | Satan and the demons disfellowshipped from heaven. |
| Dragon | Satan's entire organisation |
| 7 heads | 7 times of the Gentile times, when Satan's organisation had administrative headship of God's people and everyone else |
| 7 diadems | 7 world powers/rulers through which the dragon administered power: Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Medo-Persians, Greeks, Romans, Anglo-Americans. A diadem is a crown it means 'bound round' |
| 10 horns | The 10 times of Pharaoh's Times from 1593Nisan when Pharaoh killed the first of Abraham's seed (to be recorded in the bible as being killed) to 2008 Nisan, when he cannot kill any more of them. The horns are not said to be on the heads so one does not need to apportion them. |
| 1/3 of the stars of heaven | 33% of the angels are demons and are disfellowshipped with Satan |
| In the literal dream the 1260 days | Equals the 3.5 times. |
As regards the word symbolic meanings, there are two, since we read: A son, a male.
| Flight of woman to wilderness, 1260 days | 1992Elul11 to 1995Adar11, 1260 days of Rachel being fed in the wilderness (with Gordon within the Watchtower right in front of the face of the serpent). |
| Second description of a flight of the woman to wilderness away from the face of the serpent, 3.5 times in second word symbolism | 1995Adar11 (Gordon disfellowshipped) to 1999Elul26 (Gordon realised he should advertise himself publicly), period away from the serpent within the Watchtower |
| Second description of a flight of the woman to wilderness away from the face of the serpent, 3.5 times in first word symbolism | ?? |
| Serpent | Satan's organisation within Babylon (all false religion) as he was in the tree in the garden acting outside God's authority but representing that he had God's authority. So the disgorging of water from its mouth is muslim persecution of Christians around 624 and Babylon's persecution of the LWs when we begin to grow. |
| 2 wings of eagle | There is a second flight in the 2nd event symbolism. |
| Michael vs Satan battle 1 | Jesus and Satan during his ministry, result Salvation of Kingdom (verse 10) |
| Michael vs Satan battle 2 | Fall of FDS1, result power of FDS2 (the living creature of the Bull) |
| Michael vs Satan battle 3 | ww1 and appointment of FDS3, result Kingdom of God in heaven and over Abraham's seed on earth, the end of the Gentile Times. |
| Michael vs Satan battle 4 | Fall of FDS3 and the authority of the Christ through FDS4. |
| The work of bearing witness to Jesus | LWs not JWs |
Sun = True Religion
Moon = False Religion
Heaven is religious or spiritual administration
Earth is secular or physical administration
Moon turns into blood, false religion gets a ransom
Satan is continually corrupting the true religion and then getting hurled down to earth.