1 Beloved ones, this is now the second letter I
am writing you, in which, as in my first one, I am arousing your clear thinking
faculties by way of a reminder,
2 that you should remember the sayings previously spoken by the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles.
3 For you know this first, that in the last days there will come ridiculers with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires,
4 and saying: Where is this promised presence of his? Why, from the day our forefathers fell asleep [in death], all things are continuing exactly as from creation's beginning.
5 For, according to their wish, this fact escapes their notice, that there were heavens from of old and an earth [which] stood together out of water and through water by the word of God.
6 And by those [means] the world of that time suffered destruction when it was deluged with water.
7 But by the same word the current heavens and the earth, having been stored up, are being reserved for fire in the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men.
8 However, let this one fact not be escaping your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with [the] Lord as 1,000 years and 1,000 years as one day.
9 [The] Lord is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance.
10 Yet the Lord's day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a hissing noise, but the elements being intensely hot will be loosed (luw), and earth and the works in it will be discovered.
11 Since all these things are thus to be dissolved (luw), what sort of persons ought you to be in holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion,
12 awaiting and anticipating the arrival/presence of the day of the God, through which [the] heavens being on fire will be loosed (luw) and [the] elements being intensely hot will dissolve/melt/liquify (thkw)!
13 But there are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell (2 Peter 3 - retranslated from the Greek).
The Greek verb luw means to loose or free, and the Greek verb thkw means to dissolve or melt. We have two days here the day of the Lord, which is the Lord's day, and the day of the God which is described in Revelation 16 as:
14 to gather them together to the war of the Great Day of God the Almighty (Revelation 16).
The Promised presence is the manifestation of the presence of which Peter was a part. The first presence was not discernable to ridiculers, but the manifestation of the presence, through the understandings of Paul, was discernable since it was a manifestation! The destruction of the heavens and earth current to the first century was the destruction of the Jewish system of things by Titus, who burned the temple with fire. This was the destruction of the Pharisees and Sadducees (the Jewish heavens) and the general Jewish administration (the Jewish earth). The statement that a day is as 1,000 years with the Lord, is the sort of time period mankind had to wait (from Peter's day) for until arrival of the Day of God, which is the 1,000 year Kingdom of God. We are not sure whether the repetition of 1,000 years being as one day, has the two meanings of:
Event symbolism: Wait more than 1,000 years for Armageddon
Word symbolism: The Day of judgement and destruction of the Kingdom of God lasts for 1,000 years.
... or whether the only meaning in both symbolisms is that the Day of God lasts 1,000 years, and there is an extra 'one day is as 1,000 years' to be applied to the speed of light etc. - see .
In the literal meaning, which is actually quite symbolic, there is a passing away of a heavens with a hissing noise (from an angry serpent) which occurs during the Lord's day, and then there is to be a passing away of the Jewish heavens and earth with a destruction of ungodly men (90% of the inhabitants of Jerusalem were killed by Titus). Then there is a further passing away of a heavens which occurs during the glorious day of God the almighty, which is the 1,000 year day of the Kingdom of God. The passing away of the latter of these heavens refers to the end of demonic authority over the earth on 2008Nisan14/2008Tishri1, and the new heavens of angelic authority actually through Jesus and the 144,000 new covenant saints on 2008Nisan22. The passing away of the former of these heavens is the destruction of the governing body (the heavens, the upper management) of FDS1, the first true Christian religion started by Jesus. FDS1 became the evil slave in 75Tammuz16 followed by the appointment of FDS2 over all Jesus' belongings 33.5 years after Paul was baptised. It then started burning under God's judgement, having been corrupted by the serpent, which stands for Satan's internal sacred (non secular) corruption, and the elements of it, the new covenant saints, being seriously under test, and being refined by fire, would later be loosed and would escape to follow their hearts, either into FDS2 or into Gehenna. The earth, is the general administration of FDS1, and its works were eventually discovered.
The Day of the Lord, the Lord's day, is the day of the presence of the Lord, which is the day of the existence of first new covenant saints on earth, which day ran from 10Tishri10 BC to 140Tishri10, with a 10 year gap from 80tishri10-90Tishri10 AD in the first presence - see intro45.html. The term 'Day of the Lord' can also refer to the manifestation of the presence - see U33. This manifestation in the first presence was the explosion in understanding given to Paul to enable him to start up FDS2, we currently believe or was it the apocalypse given to John? Paul said:
3 Let no one seduce you in any manner, because it will not come
unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of
4 He is set in opposition and lifts himself up over everyone who is called "God" or an object of reverence, so that he sits down in the temple of the God, publicly showing himself to be a God (2 Thessalonians 2).
It is of course obvious that flood of fire itself does not come as a thief. Because when a thief comes, you do not realise that he has taken anything until some time later. But when the flood of fire starts taking souls, you will realise it! The 144,000 first new covenant saints started descending the 30 steps Jacob's ladder as humans in the ark on 2017Tammuz17 of Genesis 7:11, when the floodgates of the heavens opened into the ark, arriving here on earth on 2017Ab17. Then after 3½ months of the feeding of the greater Eve in a place prepared by God (the woman of Revelation12) from 2017Ab21, they are installed as Aaron to Zoar on 2017Chislev5. Then 25% of mankind will enter into the ark, 25% will walk through and 50% will not and will therefore be burnt up by the extinction level volcanic event. Everyone will have the opportunity to repent if they can find it in their hearts. But the elements of the demonic heavens will melt in the lake of fire and sulphur, they die the second death.
|Current heavens and earth||Jewish Sanhedrin (heavens) and physical Jewish system (earth)|
|Heavens of the Lord's day and earth||Governing body of FDS1 (heavens) congregational; administration (earth)|
|Heavens of the day of the God||The heavenly administration of this planet through Satan and the demons.|
|Hissing noise||Serpent is Satan's internal religious corruptor.|
There are two word symbolic meanings because the successive designation: Lord and Saviour, splits the account. The two meanings relate to the two presences, the two Lord's day's of the first and second presence. Jesus is Lord in the first presence, but is saviour physically at the end of the second presence.
Both Lord's days are days of the presence of the Lord through the flesh of his wife, the new covenant saints. The second Lord's day lasts 120 years from 1887Chislev10, the heavenly sanctification of Charles Russell following his heavenly water baptism as Elijah3 on 1882Sivan9, to 2012Sivan10, with a gap from 2001Heshvan10 to 2006Iyyar10 (when no 1NC saint was clean in the flesh).
The big hint in all of this is 'Lord and Saviour' a phrase only used in Peter's letters, because Lordship is the big question during the destruction of the heavens of FDS1 in the first presence and FDS3 in the second presence, and salvation is the big question at Armageddon.
There are 4 successive descriptions:
The day of judgement and of destruction of the ungodly men
In holy [acts of] conduct and reverence/piety
Awaiting and anticipating the arrival/presence of the day of the God
To be found finally by him spotless and unblemished and in peace
So each word symbolic meaning has two fulfillments of these 4 successive descriptions.
So there are two days (one of judgement and one of destruction) in each word symbolic meaning, these are the judgement day on FDS1 and FDS3 and the destruction day of Armageddon at the start of the 1,000 year day of the Kingdom. This differs from the event symbolic meaning.
Those in FDS1 and FDS3 awaited the arrival of the Kingdom of God, but those in FDS2 and FDS4 anticipate its arrival more fervently (well FDS4 know exactly when it will come). It is possible that some in FDS2, after the time of the end began in the first presence might have known that date of Armageddon. No one pays any attention to the LWs who have known it for 10 years!
Since we have two groups in each presence one of which is spotless and the other of which is unblemished (i.e. spotless), we know from this scripture that there are two true baptisms, i.e. two true religions in each presence. The order of cleanliness is spotless (FDS1/FDS3) - blemished (WSS1/WSS2) - unblemished (FDS2/FDS4) - in peace (Kingdom of God). This process is described in terms of the flood. The hint is that in Noah's day the heavens and the earth together were out of water and through water. In other words another water baptism will be needed. Into FDS2 in the first presence and into FDS4 in the second. Spelling this out, Just as the land was formed out of the water and then was flooded by a second application of water, so the JWs are formed by water baptism being pulled up out of the water and then get a second water baptism into the LWs through a greater flood.
During creation, the land appeared when the waters that were covering the earth receded. This appearance represents the appearance of the first FDS of a presence. Then there was a flood and then the flood waters receded and, and the land reappeared after the flood. This re-appearance represents the second FDS of a presence. And there is a new water baptism for each FDS.
So in the case of the second presence as regards the passing away of the heavens in the Lord's day this is the destruction of the governing body of the Watchtower (the heavens, the upper management) of FDS3. They became the evil slave on 1997Elul28 - see U42 and see U200. And FDS4 was appointed over all Jesus' belongings on 2NC first fruits day, 1997Tishri2. FDS3 then started burning under God's judgement, having been corrupted by the serpent, which stands for Satan's internal sacred (non secular) corruption, and the elements of it, the new covenant saints, being seriously under test, and being refined by fire, will be loosed and will escape to follow their hearts, either into FDS4 or into Gehenna. The earth, is the general administration of FDS3, and its works were eventually discovered.
The Evil slave has hidden the second new covenant saints, it has rejected the messenger sent from God, the 3rd son of man. It has not discerned the time of its being inspected, it has committed fornication with the UN. It has lost its love of the brothers and loves instead its status in front of the brothers. It is practising Satanic control freakery rather than Michaelic love freakery. The day of the Lord, which is the presence of the Lord, can also mean the manifestation of the presence, which is the big apocalypse, the big revelation, the big revealing, the massive leap in understanding of the presence. This is the decoding of the bible in this second presence. We are right now seeing this manifestation. But the Watchtower did not see it and so Jesus and the manifestation came as a thief to them. And they lost their priesthood without knowing that they had lost their priesthood, just as if it was stolen by a thief. The manifestation of the presence does away with the man of lawlessness. The Man of lawlessness is the corrupted leadership of the fallen evil slave, the greater Judas in one meaning. They are being undone as this article is being written.
Since the current heavens and earth of FDS1 and FDS3 are reserved for fire, having become bundles of weeds, it is best to get out of them! Because if you stay in you get destroyed with the ungodly men.
N.B We do not think that 'having been stored up are being reserved/kept into the fire' is a successive description.