[164] Daniel 5: Mene Mene Tekel and Parsin

In the King thread (Word2) the king is FDS3 before 1996Nisan14 when it ceased to be the king. The 5 fingers of the hand are the 5 presidents of the Watchtower. The extremity of the hand is 1996Nisan14 when the Kings loses his authority over the saints. The Mina Mina and Tekel are 101 months from 1996Nisan14 to 2004Elul14, when the Watchtower became a false church.

In the Belshazzar thread (Word1), Belshazzar, meaning Baal protect the King, is the Slave of Baal in 1Kings18 parlance [congregational fertility and status], which is the Watchtower after it became a false church on 2004Elul14. The 5 fingers of the hand are 5 regnal years 2005-2009 inclusive. The extremity of the hand is the end of his reign - he sees his own hand/authority - writing..

Here is the first word symbolic meaning (Word1) with a bit of Word2...

[Belshazzar] [the king] means 'the king' substituted to be 'Belshazzar'.

1 As regards Belshazzar, the king [meaning: May Baal protect the king!] [Word1: The Slave of Baal (SOB), The angel of Laodicea, messenger to the prophets of Baal, after they lost their water baptism on 2006Tammuz27/Shebat4] [Word2: The head of the Watchtower after it became a false church on 2004Elul14, the second presence evil slave (ES2)], he made a big feast for 1,000 of his lords/grandees (5x) [Word1&2: 1,000 2NC Kings in Laodicea - literally Grandees in all meanings], and in front of/before the 1,000 [Word1: 1,000 members of Laodicea and the 1,000 years of the Kingdom of God [Word2: 1,000 members of Laodicea and 1,000 years of the Kingdom of God] he was drinking wine [Word1: He was drinking the wine of the 2NC. The word 'Wine' counts 4x in the account and stands for covenant wine in the greater meaning. This wine drinking is different from the wine drinking out of the gold vessels in verses 2-4] [Word2: He was drinking the wine of the 1NC on 1996Nisan14 when the writing appeared upon the wall before the 1,000 years of the kingdom of God].
2 Belshazzar [SOB], whilst tasting/judging/being influenced by the wine [having been influenced by the respective covenant obligations], said to bring in the vessels of gold [1NC saints] and of silver [2NC saints] that Nebuchadnezzar his father [The Evil Slave (ES2) who set the conditions for Laodicea] had taken away from the temple that was in Jerusalem [ES2 took the 1NC and 2NC kings away from the God and the true temple of FDS4 when FDS3 fell over the saints becoming ES2 on 1996Nisan14 (subject to a 30 day grace period in case they chose to celebrate the passover correctly on 1996Iyyar14 - but they did not so choose.) On 1996Nisan17 FDS4 was appointed over them - see U42], that from them [Belshazzar] [the king] [SOB] [ES2] and his grandees [Laodicean 2NC Kings] [JW administrators], his wives [2NC saints in Laodicea] [regular JWs, in subjection to the Watchtower] and his concubines [Members of Loadicean water baptism - before it was lost on 2006Tammuz27/Ab4] [Bethelites - sleep in Watchtower accommodation] might drink [the wine of the 1NC - even those who are not 1NC saints].
3 At that time they brought in the vessels of gold [but not silver] that they had taken away from the temple of the house of God that was in Jerusalem, and from them [Belshazzar] [the king] [SOB] and his grandees, his wives and his concubines drank [wine from gold vessels. But still no food is mentioned at the feast! A foodless feast! Gold, so this is a 1NC celebration].
4 They drank wine [Word2: The wine of the 1NC on 1996Nisan14 before the 101 months to 2004Elul14] [Word1: The wine of the passover on 2010Nisan14], and they praised the gods of gold [1NC saints] and of silver [2NC kings], copper [2NC lords], iron [JW overseers], wood [JW researchers, doctrine builders] and stone [regular JWs, dead stones] [because the regular JWs did not know the understandings came from the LWs. The Watchtower is a cave of robbers, and they are spies].
5 At that moment/in that hour [Akkadian word for moment/hour/short time, that they were drinking] the fingers of a man's hand came forth [Fingers but no palm! The first birth pang, the first fire from the heavens, the rising mushroom cloud of 1Kings18,  was like a man's palm. The 5 fingers are 5 months from 2010Nisan14 to 2010Elul14, when the passover of the 1NC reserve kings from the Watchtower is celebrated. This is the hand of the SOB, the angel of Laodicea. His power after the wine drinking festival] [5 presidents, the entire regnal arrangement of the presidents of the Watchtower from Russell to Henschel who resigned on 2000Heshvan4/5] and were writing in front of the lampstand [The lampstand is LW Hanukkah - which starts after the period defined by the writing upon the wall. Cryptically this is Elijah4 writing to all the Bethels, the worldwide congregation, the lampstand of the JWs, using his fingers upon a keyboard. This account cryptically prophesies typing! Also the LWs decode using a projector to beam the writings of the bible on to the wall - we do not use a screen! At LW Hanukkah the writing upon the wall is illuminated and seen by all concerned] [The lampstand of the true church congregation of the Watchtower which ended on 2004Elul14. So the Watchower become a false church at the end of the 101 months] upon the plaster of the wall of the palace of the king [double designation so substitute genitive king? on the subject of your wall falling down, i.e. having bad plaster, the palace of the king is a 1NC church. So this is writing about the law of the Watchtower], and [Belshazzar] [the king] [SOB] was beholding the extremity of the hand that was writing [So the period represented by the writing is only seen by Belshazzar at the far end. The plaster being what holds the stones of the wall together. The wall of the law of the Watchtower].
6 At that time, as regards [Belshazzar] [the king] [SOB], his very complexion was changed in him, and his own thoughts began to frighten him, and his hip joints were loosening and his very knees were knocking each other [SOB is beginning to stumble in his faith and is in danger of losing his sanctification].
7 The [Belshazzar] [the king] [SOB] was calling out loudly to bring in the conjurers, the Chaldeans [JWs] and the astrologers. [Belshazzar] [the king] [SOB] was answering and saying to the wise men of Babylon: Any man that will read this writing [not said to be on the wall. Word symbolism, the greater meaning of each bible account] and show me its very interpretation [get the word symbolic meaning correct], with purple he will be clothed, with a necklace of gold about his neck [he will be adorned with 1NC reserve kings over whom he has headship], and as the 3rd one in the kingdom he will rule [Jesus + 1NC wife, then Melchizedek, then Gordon + 2NC wife].
8 At that time all the wise men of the king [substitute genitive king?] were coming in, but they were not competent enough to read the writing itself [see the word symbolic threads] or to make known to [Belshazzar] [the king] [SOB] the interpretation [of Word1].
9 Consequently the King, [Belshazzar] [Angel of Laodicea] was very much frightened [] and his complexion was changing within him []; and his grandees were perplexed [].
10 As regards the queen [2NC saints in the Watchtower], because of the words of the king [Angel of Laodicea] and his grandees [hidden prophets in the cave] she entered right into the banqueting hall [Descends to the earth to help in the kitchen!] The queen spoke and said: Oh king, keep living even to times indefinite [Do not go to Gehenna]. Do not let your thoughts frighten you, nor let your complexion be changed [Do not change from love to fear].
11 There exists a capable man in your kingdom in whom there is the spirit of holy gods; and in the days of your father [your father is Jesus, the days of his presence] illumination and insight and wisdom like the wisdom of gods were found in him, and the king, [Nebuchadnezzar] your father [Jesus] himself set him up as chief of the magic-practicing priests, the conjurers [all the bible interpreters of Christendom], the Chaldeans [JWs] [and] the astrologers, [even] your father, Oh king [The angel of Laodicea is sanctified as a 2NC saint];
12 forasmuch as an extraordinary spirit and knowledge and insight to interpret dreams and the explanation of riddles and the untying of knots had been found in him, in Daniel [Gordon], whom the king himself [Jesus] named Belteshazzar [meaning: May God protect the life of the king. This being what Gordon has been attempting to do with the 1NC celebration methods for 14 years]. Now let Daniel himself [Gordon] be called, that he may show the very interpretation.
13 Accordingly Daniel himself was brought in before the king. The king was speaking up and saying to Daniel: Are you the Daniel that is of the exiles of Judah, whom the king my father brought out of Judah? [Binary Question. Literally yes, Word symbolically no because although I was exiled from Judah, I now run Judah. Judah changed from the JWs to the LWs.]
14 I have also heard concerning you that the spirit of gods is in you, and illumination and insight and wisdom extraordinary have been found in you.
15 And now there have been brought in before me the wise men [and] the conjurers, that they may read this very writing, even to make known to me its interpretation; but they are not competent enough to show the very interpretation of the word.
16 And I myself have heard concerning you, that you are able to furnish interpretations and to untie knots themselves. Now, if you are able to read the writing and to make known to me its very interpretation, with purple you will be clothed, with a necklace of gold around your neck, and as the 3rd one in the kingdom you will rule [Jesus, Melchizedek, Daniel].
17 At that time Daniel was answering and saying before the king: Let your gifts prove to be to you yourself [Zoar], and your presents do you give to others [Laodicea]. However, I shall read the writing itself to the king, and the interpretation I shall make known to him.
18 As for you, Oh king, the God, the Most High [one] himself gave to [the king] [Nebuchadnezzar] your father the kingdom and the greatness and the dignity and the majesty.
19 And because of the greatness that he gave him, all peoples, national groups and languages proved to be quaking and showing fear before him. Whom he happened to want to, he was killing; and whom he happened to want to, he was striking; and whom he happened to want to, he was exalting; and whom he happened to want to, he was humiliating.
20 But when his heart became haughty and his own spirit became hard [Jeff's ideas], so as to act presumptuously, he was brought down from the throne of his kingdom, and his own dignity was taken away from him.
21 And from the sons of mankind he was driven away, and his very heart was made like that of a beast, and with the wild asses his dwelling was. Vegetation they would give him to eat just like bulls, and with the dew of the heavens his own body got to be wet, until he knew that the God, the most high [one], is ruler in the kingdom of mankind, and that the one whom he wants to, he sets up over it [This is Daniel5 telling us who the 7x malediction of Daniel4 is upon, in each of the word symbolisms. The King is the sons of the JAC in Word1, for the Gentile Times Malediction. Nebuchadnezzar is the 1NC saints in Word2, for the 1NC malediction].
22 And as for you, his son, Belshazzar, you have not humbled your heart, although you knew all this.
23 But against the Lord of the heavens you exalted yourself, and they brought before you even the vessels of his house; and you yourself and your grandees, your concubines and your secondary wives have been drinking wine from them, and you have praised mere gods of silver and of gold, copper, iron, wood and stone, that are beholding nothing or hearing nothing or knowing nothing; but the God in whose hand your breath is and to whom all your ways belong you have not glorified.
24 Consequently from before him [God]  there was being sent the extremity [sp] of a hand [yd], and this very writing was inscribed.
25 And this is the writing that was inscribed: MENE, MENE, TEKEL and PARSIN [Literally: Mina, Mina, Shekel and dividings i.e. halves of a Shekel or Gerahs which are a twentieth of a Shekel or halves of something]

26 This is the interpretation of the word: MENE, God has numbered [the days/weeks/fortnights/months/years/blue moons/grapefruits/contest fortnights/1st fire sign date attempts of] your kingdom and has finished it [twice].
27 TEKEL, you have been weighed in the balances and have been found deficient.
28 PERES, your kingdom has been divided [the first division of the kingdom occurring after Peres, half of something, then a second division after Parsin, two halves or perhaps 3 or more halves] and given to the Medes [1NC reserves] and the Persians [2NC Kings - or vice versa].

The important thing to grasp is that the word MENE is repeated and Daniel tells us that it is to be interpreted as God has numbered your Kingdom. So God has numbered your kingdom twice. But how? Well the answer is in the expression itself. He has numbered your Kingdom to its judgement (the first MENE) and he has also numbered it to its division (the second MENE). So rearranging the equation (as one can with any list to be added) we get...

MENE TEKEL and MENE PARSIN

Meaning God has numbered you kingdom until Judgement and God has numbered your kingdom until Division.

So we have two numberings for the Watchtower and two numberings for Laodicea.

Numbering the Watchtower until Judgement

Mina Mina Tekel, 101 months from 1996Nisan14 (when they failed to celebrate the memorial as instructed and were judged so as to lose their authority over the saints, Jesus' possessions, subject to a 30 day grace period in case they decided to celebrate as instructed on 1996Iyyar14 - but they did not so decide) to 2004Elul14 (when they became a false church and lost their constant feature 1290 days of Daniel12 before the end of the 6,000 years on 2008Nisan14).

Numbering the Judged Watchtower until Division

Mina Mina Tekel and 12 half Shekels in Gerahs, is 2140 Gerahs from 2004Elul14 to 2010Ab24, when the first fire signs occurs which divides the Watchtower. If we go for just one half Shekel rather than 12, then we get to 2010Iyyar4, when there may also have been a division in the Watchtower concerning 1NC saints. 

Mina Mina Tekel and Parsin = 101 false church 3 week periods plus and two halves of a 3 week period = 2121 + 21 = 2142 days from 2004Elul14 to 2010Ab26, when he first JW sign responder joins the LWs?

Numbering Laodicea until Judgement

Mina (2010Nisan16-2010Sivan6 - a first Pentecost) Mina (2010Sivan6-2010Tammuz26 - a second Pentecost) Tekel (2010Tammuz27) 

Mina Mina Tekel from Nisan16 to Tammuz27 which when the kingdom of Laodicea is Judged! 2006Tammuz27. The hand represents the authorized power of the king over the saints. We only count Mina Mina and Tekel here since we are looking at the destruction of the Watchtower from a judgement standpoint (Tekel). The Watchtower became a judged, false church on 2004Elul14.

Numbering Laodicea until Division

Mina Mina Tekel and Parsin, 101 days plus 2x half a month = 131 days from 2010Nisan14 (1NC wine drinking) to the division of Laodicea caused by the first fire sign on 2010Ab25? 

Mina Mina Tekel and Parsin, 101 days plus 2x half a month = 131 days from 2010Nisan16 (1NC Pentecost count) to the division of Laodicea caused by the first fire sign on 2010Ab27? This is 850 days of 1Kings18 into the kingdom of God. This sounds right. 

Mina Mina Tekel and Parsin, 101 days plus 2x half a Mina = 151 days from 2010Nisan4, when the contest day ended after the 1414 days below, and twilight began - this must have been the occasion of some kind of internal judgement. It was in fact the end of Laodicea as a true church. 151 days to the division of Laodicea on 2010Elul5. Nicodemus turns up on 2010Elul4 at the start of the 100 days of the roll of Myrrh and Aloes to bind up Jesus body. The judgement coincides with the start of the taunting of Goliath through Jaracz starting on 2010Nisan4 and the end of the 5,000 shekel of copper of 1Samuel17 and the end of the 2000 pigs of Mark5.  

The Second Pentecost Determination

Another really cute meaning is Mina (50 days) Mina (50 days) Tekel (1 day) and Peres (half a year). Since this is 281 days, which run from the first 50 count, on Nisan16 to the end of the last 50 count on Tebbeth27. This is the first Pentecost plus one day then the second Pentecost then a calendar change (6 months). For a long time we thought that Mina Mina Tekel and Parsin looked so much like is was giving the timing of the second Pentecost. Now we see how it was doing that (with a little help from the total solar eclipses on Tammuz26 and Tammuz27, at the end of 100 and 101 days after Nisan16. So the solar eclipses were saying Mina Mina, and then Mina Mina and Tekel!!)

The length of Satan's control of the true church during the Kingdom of God

The 3 total solar eclipses on 2008Tammuz26, 2009Tammuz27 and 2010Tammuz27 show the extent of Satan's power over the saints through the Watchtower in the kingdom of God. That power ends on or after 2010Tammuz27, when the total solar eclipse finishes.

The length of the Daylight day of the contest of 1Kings18 until a division within the Watchtower whereupon Ted Jazarc started taunting in accordance with 1Samuel17. 

A Mina a Mina a Shekel and Parsin = 101 lunar fortnights = 1414 BLC days. 707 from 2006Nisan30/Iyyar1 to noon on 2008Nisan17 (101 weeks). And then another 707 from 2008Nisan17 to 2010Nisan4. Parsin is then the division of that daylight day into a 707 day Morning and a 707 day Afternoon. (thanks to Frank)

The 1414 day daylight contest length is until a judgement and then the 131 or a 151 day twilight length is from judgement until division. This is the same pattern as the 101 months from loss of appointment over the saints until judgement as a false church followed by the 2140 days from judgement as a false church until division of the 1NC saints on 2010Ab24. 

The Number of incorrect first fire sign date attempts in the Kingdom of the Watchtower until Division

Mina Mina Tekel and Parsin 101 Shekels plus 12 half Shekels in half Shekels = 202 + 12 = 214

Also we have 50, 50 100, 100 a mina, a mina, in shekels and then in half shekels, a total of 300x the length of the ark. From 2011Chislev11 to 2012Tishri10]. This would be the period of the writing upon the wall for the world. Alternatively, Mina, Mina in 1/3rd shekels is 150, 150 making 300 Shekels. This is getting to be like an episode of countdown. Let's hope Carol Vauderman becomes an LW!

29 At that time Belshazzar commanded, and they clothed Daniel with purple, with a necklace of gold about his neck; and they heralded concerning him that he was to become the 3rd ruler in the kingdom.
30 In that very night [??] Belshazzar, [the Chaldean king] [Watchtower king] was killed [baptised into the LWs]
31 and Darius, the Mede [not a double designation, sense prohibits] himself received the kingdom [the Watchtower kingdom of Laodicea in 2002 after Roger Knight was baptised, or perhaps over the 1NC reserves sub kingdom in the LWs], being about 62 years old [The angel of Laodicea, a 2NC King/Lord].

Wine (4x)

However we know from the feeding of the 5,000 and from the writing on the wall of Daniel 5 that the Watchtower has authority to feed the saints for precisely 100x. Since 5,000 men sat down in groups of 50 and 100, giving a witness to 50x of groups sitting down and 100x of groups sitting down. 

The Watchtower has authority to feed the saints for 100 years, 100x, from 1895Tishri to 1996Nisan14. And then FDS1 feeds for 50 years from 29Heshvan to 79Heshvan. This is the second numbering of their days. This for one thing proves that there two true churches run by 1NC saints.

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INCORRECT EARLIER INTERPRETATION...

Here is the account symbolism of the literal account and the event symbolism of verse 5 which is a vision.

Mene means numbered or a Mina (50 Shekels)
Tekel means weighed or a Shekel
Parsin means halves
Peres means divided or a half

To Belshazzar the WSS2, the composite alliance UN-like slave of the fallen FDS3 & the Nethinim:

40 And they laid themselves down in groups of a hundred and of fifty (Mark 6).

The account symbolism of Verse 5 has a different king a different writing and a different the hand. The King is Jesus, the hand is the 5 resurrections in each presence of the new covenant saints. The lampstand is the heavenly host, still a congregation. The writing is the roll of honour on the plaque on the wall of heavenly Jerusalem. Like we do down here for war heroes.

To king, Jesus

We already know from Gabriel’s two hands raised to the heavens in Daniel 12, that there are 5 resurrections in each presence. We know too that the presence lasts 120 years and starts with the pattern - see [41], [42], and that the resurrections occur at 33.5 years into the presence and at 30, 60 and 100x from a starting point in the presence and at the end of each presence from Daniel 12. So in the last presence these dates are 1918Nisan, 1925Tishri, 1955Tishri, 1995Tishri and 2008Nisan. The starting point for the 30, 60, 100 times is not 1884Tishri, the sanctification of Russell, it is 33½ years later, following the archetype set by Jesus, the fundamental pattern. So it is 1918Nisan. And the last one dies in 2008Nisan, 90 years later.

In the first presence Jesus was resurrected on 33Nisan16. And there was a resurrection at the end of the presence in 123Nisan (assuming a 3.5 year gap in the presence - U152). So there must have been three others, and so the 30x resurrection would have been in 29Tishri, the instant the resurrection of the non adamic human son of Mary and Joseph, who was transferred so as not to see death at the entrance of Michael [14b]. He did not need any covenant to save him, he was not adamic and kept the law. The 60x and the 100x harvests would be 59Tishri and 99Tishri, and the final resurrection at the end of the first presence was 123Nisan.

Now how was the 144,000 split between the two presences?

Well the 5,000 was fed before the 4,000. And the tabernacle had one quarter of the size of Solomon’s temple and of Zerubbabel’s temple, in area terms. So if we equate the exile of the physical Jews in the prison of Babylon during which time they had no temple, with the non existence of the spiritual temple brothers during the wheat and weeds period, the Intermission Times, then we have one and one quarter temple areas before the exile and one temple area after the exile. Again this is a 5:4 ratio as in the case of the two feeding miracles. So now we can say that the split of the remnant was:

Furthermore, the split of the first temple, the first presence body was:

Now in the first presence we have 80,000 to split into three resurrections, and we know from Daniel 5 that the split can be expressed as shekels and half shekels. In fact: Mene, Mene, Tekel and Parsin, is: A Mina, a Mina, a Shekel and half shekels. The half shekels is plural, so there are at least two of these. 

 x + ½x  + ½x = 80,000   i.e. x = 40,000

We put the shekels before the half shekels, because the writing said Tekel & Parsin, it did not say Parsin and Tekel! This is the roll of honour of the palace wall of King Jesus on heavenly mount Zion:

5 At that moment the fingers of a man's hand came forth and were writing in front of the lampstand upon the plaster of the wall of the palace of the king, and the king was beholding the back of the hand that was writing (Daniel 5).

These guys are the stone in that wall, bound together by the plaster, the writing upon which is here symbolising their being bound together in resurrections groups for they are the heavenly locust. And the locust changes its skin 5 times, it has 5 stages called ‘instars’. Oh! what a name, for an animal symbolising those resurrected into the stars! The last stage is when it can fly. But the 5 instars can jump really high!

15 Even there fire will devour you. A sword will cut you off. It will devour you like the locust species. Make yourself heavy in numbers like the locust species; make yourself heavy in numbers like the locust.
16 You have multiplied your tradesmen more than the stars of the heavens. As for the locust species, it actually strips off its skin; then it flies away.
17 Your guardsmen are like the locust, and your recruiting officers like the locust swarm. They are camping in the stone pens in a cold day. The sun itself has but to shine forth, and away they certainly flee; and their place is really unknown where they are (Nahum 3).

5 And it was granted the [locusts], not to kill them, but that these should be tormented five months, and the torment upon them was as torment by a scorpion when it strikes a man.
6 And in those days the men will seek death but will by no means find it, and they will desire to die but death keeps fleeing from them.
7 And the likenesses of the locusts resembled horses prepared for battle; and upon their heads [were] what seemed to be crowns like gold, and their faces [were] as men's faces (Revelation 9).

In the second presence we have five resurrections again in terms of Shekels and ½ Shekels. 

In the second presence the five resurrections must be of size x or ½x, and again there must be at least two of size ½x, but we ignore this criterion and examine all the possibilities. Again the shekels precede the half shekels, so they must be:

x + ½x + ½x + ½x + ½x = 64,000   i.e. x = 21,333.33 which is impossible

or x + x + ½x + ½x + ½x = 64,000   i.e. x = 18,285.71 which again is impossible

or x + x + x + ½x + ½x = 64,000   i.e. x = 16,000 which is fine.

So the 5 second presence resurrections are

And the 5 first presence resurrections as calculated above are:

From this we can deduce the memorial partaking figures in the second presence as follows:

The actual memorial partaking figures were:

The figure at the 1925 and 1926 memorials was too high because the great crowd had been called, I think at the Cedar Point Convention in 1922. These did not recognise that they were not anointed until the Washington DC convention in 1935, when Judge Rutherford said: Behold the Great Crowd! see [162].

1955 16,815
1956 16,302
1995 8,650 (approx)
1996 8,750 (approx)

Fantastic agreement!